Going a little bit overboard

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Aug 1, 2005
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Beneteau J-Boat Huntington, NY
Practice

I volunteered, during a week long bareboat class in the BVI to be the "M" in MOB. I had already passed the class, and was there for navigation experience. The intention was for the MOB drill to be a surprise. Five adults students, all very bright, had passed MOB as part of exams in two prior classes taken recently. After I jumped ... Step 1: Throw flotation --- they didn't. Step 2: One crew dedicated to point to MOB -- they didn't do this either. Although the waves were barely 6 inches, I was difficult to spot when they briefly lost me. Step 3: When they found me they choose a figure 8 return, but somehow became oriented dead downwind, and blew by me at 6 knots ... and still did not throw me some floation. (I was dumb and didn't bring any with me either) Next: Jibe Ho ... not good, the skipper decided to do a quick return, but caught the crew unaware (they expected another figure 8). The jib somehow became ensnared in the shouds, and when released wrapped around the headstay. No one could really explain what happened next. From my vantage point, the boat was adrift 10 minutes, with crew hudled on the bow attempting to undo two wraps of the jib around the headstay. Really wish I had brought flotation, if for no other reason I would be easier to see by the other boats in the area. Thoughts of being run over were crossing my mind, as other boats became closer than mine. Next: The boat and crew return, and passes again, much slower this time. Now they throw me a cushion, but they miss by almost two boat lengths. Next: Apparently exhausted, they release the sheets and consider themselves "close enough" for me to swim. They are really agitated at this point, and unsure they could do any better if they swung around and tried again. I protested that two boat lengths didn't qualify as rescuing me. However, the instructor said it was over, and to swim, so I did. I would then learn that two crew members were bleeding, another had rope burn, some minor equipment damage was done, as well as ego damage, and amazingly fully 25 minutes had elapsed with just (1) figure 8 and (1) quick recovery. No one was happy with their MOB practice, and somehow I didn't get any thank you's or sympathy for volunteering. Lesson #1: This is difficult, even in good conditions, with crew recently having studied the text book, and having recently passed MOB procedures on a cushion. Lesson #2: Practice with all the safety gear. We had a lifesling on board, crew didn't think it was needed ... great boat, great weather, MOB is in good health and no danger ... the thinking was they never practiced with it, so leave it stowed. In my case, it was a necessary part of getting me aboard had climbing the swim ladder not been an option. Lesson #3: Don't volunteer to be MOB, it's a thankless job.
 
Oct 25, 2005
735
Catalina 30 Banderas Bay, Mexico
You're right

Dragging a line probably won't work by itself. If the line includes a device to upset the boat's trim (uncleat a genoa sheet?) or self steering the boat might slow or stop before it dragged you under. The response was somewhat tounge in cheek. I didn't think anyone would seriously consider it as a primary safety measure.
 
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Glenn

It is too cold to stay in for very long...

Our Yacht Club recently practiced MOB drills with swimmers clad in wet suits and a safety boat (RIB). We practiced the deployment of the Lifesling gear on the dock after having had 2 hours of classroom time. Once on the water, it became clear that this was no easy task and it is one that we all agreed must be practiced frequently. Our scenario had one sailor or spouse on the vessel and the other in the water. I would encourage all mariners to have a plan, make sure everyone knows it, and practice it! There is no time to figure it all out once you have a crew over the side.
 
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Del Wiese

overboard at anchor

Went overboard once, at anchor! Florida in January, water was cold. Had anchored to install a race mark, 55 gallon drum with ground tackle. When it went into the water, something happened and I accompanied it. No boarding ladder, no lifejacket on. Could not get my body back into the cockpit. Was about 1000 feet from shore. Longest swim of my life! Said a few prayers of thanksgiving when my feet touched shore. Installed a transom mounted boarding ladder the next weekend.
 
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Capt Ron;-)

DWC - MOB

DWC, Yep, same thing nearly. We used a MOB POle, and several other times some fenders tied together. We did 'recue' a swimming gal off Waikiki once, only the head shows, and very hard to sea. I went overboard from a dink once, really stupid and an overconfident 'it can never happen to me' kinda scenerio. Besides the Warren Report three biggest false hoods: 1) if you eat then go swimming you will get stomach cramps and drown. No professional knows where that one came from, but there are folks that still are believers. 2) You will be unconsious if overboard. True maybe in some five percent of cases. 3) YOu will drown if you fall overboard. Not likely, it is most often exposure, hypothermia, but the stats depend on your latitude, temp or water. Best is not to go over in the first place! but then guess we kinda knew that...
 
Jun 2, 2004
425
- - Sandusky Harbor Marina, Lake Erie
Always tethered single handed

Most of the time, my harness is tethered to a hard point in the cockpit. The jacklines are used every time I go forward. The stern ladder is rigged for easy release from the water. All crew wear pfd's if out of the cabin under way. This thread has convinced me to run drills with the Admiral and other frequent crew to use our M.O.B. equipment and drills. Our rope boom vang has snap shackles on both ends, and we have deployed it on the end of the boom where we can easily lift a person in a life sling back on deck. We do run the M.O.B. drill with our life ring and get good results - usually first time recovery at dead slow speed. Being prepared is fun work, and we will be doing some more! David Lady Lillie
 
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Roger

MOB drills

Having read several of the stories about MOB drills along with real events, let me say my sailing instructor in Santa Barbara, CA made me do numerous MOB drills although my first few were very good. Apparently he thought I was just lucky so we continued to do the drills. I finally convinced him I could consistantly do the MOB correctly. Later that day when we were returning to the marina guess what....yes, he made me do another unannounced MOB drill. Quality instruction at SB CA.
 
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guyh

clibing back even prepared is hard

Whenever sailing alone first thing if going out with the engine., I attach the link to cutoff power to my arm., if out to sea and alone I put the ladder with a cord attached to the boat in the back., I also practice to try to climb back on boat using the engine ., and believe me after a swim it hard very hard to get back!! above all remember always rule #1 one hand for the boat one hand for the task!!! happy sailin
 
May 12, 2004
165
- - Wasagaming, Manitoba
trail a line

I sail a daysailer 17' with a swim ladder, deployable from the water and when single handing, trail a 75' line. My tiller has a thumb cleat under it, and a bungee cord keeps it in position when I am busy with other tasks on the boat. For me this is the most potentially dangerous time for a COB to occur. To reduce risk, I never leave the cockpit under these conditions, and never stand in the boat under these conditons. What I really need to do though is convince myself that I can swim to the trailing line in time to grab it before the 'bitter end' slips by me. I have concieved two plans to increase my chances of getting back on board, in a real situation and in practice. Ideally, I should practice with another person on board, but in real life conditions, this is not likely when I will fall overboard. My first plan is to have the trailing line pass over the bungee so as to trip it, thereby releasing the tiller and allowing the boat to head to wind and stall. That's assuming I can swim to the line to trip it in the first place. My second plan is to release the downhaul lock on the centerboard, so that it is free to kick up. I would then put the boat on a heading towards a sandy beach, lock the tiller in position with the bungee, and of course trail a line. When I got to about 500 feet of the beach, I would COB myself and make for the line. If I missed it, the boat would sail (hopefully harmlessly) onto the sandy beach, and I could swim in. (lesson learned; 75' isn't enough line.) I would then get a 150 foot line and try again, or just tie myself to the trip line so that falling overboard will trip it. Anyone else tried this on a smaller boat like mine?
 
Sep 28, 2005
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Hunter 23 Portland, OR
Anchor option?

This is great stuff folks! Very interesting and informative posts. As a novice sailor, I had it come to mind while reading this, that if I were to fall over, I'd be screwed since my wife has no experience at all, yet. My first thought was to holler for her to drop the anchor since the depth here is rarely over 20', but that might not be a good idea, either. It would increase the chances of both of us ending up in the drink! However, I do plan to buy us some quality inflatable vests, a jackline, tethers and trail a long knotted rope astern as well as practising the MOB drill and teaching her how to deploy the anchor. I'm still stuck on the anchor because, until she learns more, I am almost as worried about what would happen to her in a pilotless boat with barge traffic and powerboats around. It seems that at least there'd be a chance the anchor would get hung on the bottom eventually, and maybe that would keep it close enough to swim to and keep her out of trouble. In time, she'll hopefully become proficient enough to know how to turn into the wind and "heave to", but you still have the current on the Columbia which is usually to windward and about 2-4 knots. Until we both get good at sailing, I just think the anchor is an option. Thoughts? The advice to work on one's upper body strength has merit and the idea of the tether not letting you go overboard at all is common sense, but not immediately obvious. Great advice and suggestions, old salts! It's appreciated!!
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Only 3 Things

All your wife has to do is : 1) Throw anything that floats in the water, life jackets, milk jugs, anything.. 2) Teach her how to start the engine, your engine should be able to overpower your sails 3) How to call coast guard or anyone on channel 16 on VHF, or whatever channe;l they use in your area. That is all my wife knows how to do. I usually always let her start the engine and drive (steer) when not in close quarters. Turns out she loves to call bridges and drive under them when they open.
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
Ok....I got the perfect solution

:) You know me...I'm always trying to find something DIFFERENT :) If you take an unused haylard or topping lift and run that back to the cockpit. Put a D ring at the end. Now run two lines (can be 5/16) just like you do for the Asym spinacker so you can move the haylard to the other side of the cockpit when tacking (don't forget to tie down the cockpit end to something). How it works. When you leave the cockpit, you slap the D ring onto the tether. If you fall overboard, you pull on the line attached to the cockpit on yourside and it will not only pull you back to the boat (notice: if heeled you will be dangling a few feet away from the hull) but the angle will also pull you back up near deck level (the halyard will stretch some with your weight on it). Now why is this idea so great...because you will never go underwater...you will never be left behind...AND...MOST IMPORTANT...it's not restrictive so you will ACTUALLY USE IT. I plan on rigging something like this and trying it out at the dock first and then the next time I sail. All it cost is about 30' (depending on the size of your boat) of 5/15 line.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Sounds Good

Would be one hell of a sight,with all those lines attached, just dont dress like a mime. Please post pics .
 
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Eric

MOB

Hmmm timely post for me. I solo 75% of the time. I use a PFD and a tether, rather long. Up until I installed an auto pilot this year, I would use a tiller tamer to steer for me while I did other things. Though I can balance the rig to sail without me on the tiller, I knew that eventually (several minutes) Wind Chimes would head to wind and stall, allowing me to get back aboard. Now that I have the auto pilot, She will sail off into the sunset with me dragging along. Not too good is it? I think I will be spending the Winter wondering how to keep safe. I was thinking about a jackline system with a short tether to make sure that I can't go all the way overboard. I was also thinking of a clip on waterproof VHF for good measure. I like Franklin's idea of using a halyard, but can't quite envision it. Again, nice post. Good winds, Eric
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
Not really my idea

I'm sure what I just described is exactly what was in that article...I just didn't have the article to read so I imagined how it could work. Seems the only way it could work for a single handler. Currently I have an unused Spin haylard but come next summer, that may be in use, so I'm thinking of going aloft and adding a permenate wire cable with plastic coating that can be used for this at anytime. Will just go up and put a padeye bolt at the top and attach the cable to that...run it down to the right length and put a D ring on the end of it.
 
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Thomas Gebhardt

Thomas

I usally sail solo and often have pondered this problem as PFD's are uncomfortable and trailing lines a possible prop hazard, I have used a harness when it gets rough up on deck and with a pfd when it seemed prudent. I just purchased my newest boat with an tiller pilot and I really like it, but do worry that I may go over and watch her sail away. I have decided to buy and (this is key) wear the best inflatable /w harness and install a jack line system. I am adding a furling system to stay in the cockpit 90% more in the first place. I hope to be still sailing into my old age. Thomas
 
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Final results

Final results for the Quick Quiz ending November 20, 2005: If I went overboard from my boat while sailing alone: 38% I think I could get back aboard 33% I don't think I could get back aboard 19% I never sail alone 10% I'd try to signal other boats for assistance 1,074 owners responding
 
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Tony Litvak

Franklin - need more info

franklin - you have a good idea, however I cant visualize it as well. Can you elaborate?
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Thomas Gebhardt ....GOOD FOR YOU !!!

Now if you will just make a set of lazy jacks you can up the 'stay in cockpit' time to 95%
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
visualize this *yks

from the movie Analize this.... Take your spinacker haylard end that attaches to the spin and put a D ring on it. Create some kind of attachment on each side of the cockpit that you can slap that D ring onto. After attaching the D to that, pull the haylard tight and tie it off (keeping a little tension). Now put your harness on (while on the dock), take the D ring off it's holder and put it on your harness. Now run and jump *yks Since your at the slip and no heeling, you will be pulled back to the boat a couple feet below deck level (smack into the hull :) ). Now if you were sailing and heeled, you wouldn't be pulled back to the boat. That's where this next part comes into play. What we need now is a small diameter line that runs from the D ring attachment point A near the cockpit to the bow and back down to D ring attachment point B near the cockpit on the other side. Create a loop halfway in the middle of this line. This loop go on the D ring. The other two ends go on the attachment points. This line is used for two things. 1) if you fall off the boat, you use it to pull you back to the cockpit 2) you use it to pull the D ring around to the other attachment point when you tack (will always want to keep it on the highside so it doesn't get in the way of the main sail). Note: this has to go around the mast. So...now we are sailing and have our harness on and want to go on deck. Just take the D ring off the attachment point and slap it on to your harness. Same principle as the Jack line but it gives you more room to move around and do stuff. Another benefit of this is that your weight when you go overboard will add weight aloft which will increase heel making it easier to get back aboard and also slow the boat down. BIG NOTE: Not sure how small a boat has to be before this added weight (your weight) aloft will be TOO MUCH and actually cause a capsize. I'm pretty sure my boat (h376) is good and the magazine wrote about it so it must work on some boats. I was busy this weekend putting UV protective film on my hatches so I didn't get to test it this weekend. Maybe next weekend with pictures. Who wants to come take pictures of me capsizing my boat *yks ?
 
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