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Robert

Spinnakers

I installed an A symmetrical spinnaker on my H36. I find it surprised me that I could carry it wing on wing without a pole very nicely - actually up to 10 degrees by the lee. It also works nicely as a reacher particularly since the jib on this boat is relatively smll.
 
Jun 3, 2004
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Catalina 250 Wing Keel Eugene, OR
Preventer Info??

This has been a great posting, I learned what a preventer is! I like the idea of using the boom vang. Mine has quick disconnect at the mast foot. What is the advantage of moving the vang to the boom end vs leaving it connected at the boom mid-point? In either case attaching the other end forward to a stanchion or point on the toe rail should prevent the main from gybing. Correct? This posting also makes me want to get an asym! Seems like my wife and I could handle that without more crew.
 
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Cap'n Ron

Dangerous Run

Chutes can be a great advantage to racing, on a run or even a reach, but be carrrrreful, remember that fellow that went overboard the died was on the foredeck, they can be dangerous even for highly experienced crews that use 'em alla time, night et al. I had a good friend, very experienced had sailed all over the world, he was working the foredeck when he misstepped and the guy yanked him off his feet, he fell overboard, and drowned as the 'racing captain' towed him along. It is NOT that hard to get one wrapped round the forestay, and there is some kinda glue that keeps it up there just outta reach...;-) Lotta very sharp guys have ended up head over heels working the foredeck forward...;-( It CAN happen to you, and the overconfident ones will definitely get into trouble. Remember, murphy is always lurking over your shoulder and on a yacht there are son many things NOT in your favor that can actually work against you. Happens so fast it is over in a blink if you haven't thought it out and rigged to PREVENT it before hand, Preventer. Yes Randy, you certainly can take the boom-vang to the bail at mid boom. Do not take it to the stanchion if at all possible, they should never be touched except in an emergency as they are NOT strong and you cna crack the seal to the core and rot it. Use webbing from REI with a water knot, wrap it through the jib blocks, wont' hurt a thing, and I ahve used jib sheet runnin through em at the same time too. A large locking climbers biner is best, as it is easier to unclip the preventer to take it to the opposite side too, snap-shackles let you down, and can take precious seconds to unclip and re-attach.
 
Jul 1, 1998
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Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Slacker Fordeck Crew

Tried to get a good picture of my chute but you know those things are so large it's hard to get them all in the picture; however, I did manage to inadvertently get a shot of the fordeck crew slacking off. Guess she's thinking "Whats so hard about flying a spinnaker?" With regard to safety on board when flying a chute there are a couple things to be aware of: Dousing: Was crewing on a boat when the fordeck crew was dousing the chute and it caught wind and took off again. The crew down below that was pulling the chute through the forward hatch wound up geting a line wrapped around their arm. Fortunately there was enough mussel power on board with a quick response to avert what could have been a bad situation. Spinnaker wrap: this happened to me. I was doublehanding with my wife in building wind when we had a wrap and I couldn't get the darn thing undone. Usually this isn't much of a problem but this time things would not cooperate. Had to go up the mast in over 20 knots with rolling white-caps and pull the snap shackle on the chute. Unfortunately I forgot to bring down the spinnaker halyard and had to later go up again! When it's nice, though, flying a chute is real fun! Expecially on a reach.
 
May 18, 2004
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J-boat 42 conn. river
we fly the kites every chance we get

we have 3, an oversized 3/4 oz,an undersized 1/2 oz,both sys. and a downwind genoa 1.5 oz. the oversized is a hand full for the wife and me in moderate blow,10knot apparent and above. older o'day 30's had a huge "j" dimension for a 30' boat. 13'6" which calcs.to a very large chute. to help i have rerigged the boat with a lot of extra mech advantage for short handed sailing. the orig two speed primary winches are now mounted on the cabin head and used for controling the sheet. i have upgraded the primaries with new winches that have double the gear ratio of the orig. this makes flying the chutes a breese. we use a preventor only between 165 and 195deg apparent. no need for it on a hotter angle than that. i noticed that several people have jury rigged a bow sprit pole for their asy. great idea, BUT, i also noticed that they are using their spin poles. be very,very careful and only use it this way in very light air or you'll be buying a new pole. spin poles are strong only when compression loaded. they have very little strength with a bending moment. my sailmaker did some loading calulations for me and figured that for my particular boat the tack can have about 1000# of load at the tack on a beam reach with 15knots apparent wind. be careful out there! someone mentioned problems with guys rubbing on the life lines. this problem can be solved very simply by the addition of what are called twings. this is a short line with a block on the end. the sheets and guys are lead thru this. the other end is lead thru a stancion base. when on a reach the twing is pulled in and this keeps the guy low and off the lifelines, shrouds, and stansions.it also gives a better angle on the guy for adjustment of the pole. s/v Que Pasa?
 
Jul 22, 2006
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ACCIDENTAL GYBING

Hello Steve, You would be amazed at the number of intensivce care cases in the UK due to accidental gybing (and with an experienced helm). In one instance the boom swung across the cockpit with such force that it sheared the traveller end stop bolts and left the boom flailing in the wind. ALWAYS fit a preventer. Regards Louis
 

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Jun 16, 2004
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Hunter 27_75-84 everett wa
Down if needed; Asym whenever we can

With the 1984 H27, the Asym genniker really shifts it into high gear. The PO had never used this and I dragged my feet but not anymore. Going downwind is avioded if possible only because it is a little slower, the h27 rolls quite a bit, and the risk of gybing is real. I prevent to the toerail with the boom vang and will switch to the cruising chute if we aren't near hull speed. Launchng is pretty easy but I've had several wraps that sometimes have been slow to clear. Good helm is the key for gybing the chute and launching/stowing. I also burned my palm but good the one time I failed to put my gloves on and didn't wrap the winch quickly enough. I've singlehanded it many times but I'm reluctant to go on the foredeck for this activity with the autopilot in control so sometimes this is a run forward/run back repeat... affair. Anybody have opinions about singlehanding/autopilot/ bye-bye boat over the horizon scenerio?
 
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Final results

Final results for the Quick Quiz ending June 23, 2006: I would use a spinnaker... 74% Only for long downwind sails 12% Never. More trouble than they're worth. 08% Only with an experienced crew 05% Only for racing 2,223 owners responding
 
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jms

opps

center the traveler, use the main sheet to control. Why would you jybe with a loose traveler? An experienced helsman means nothing if the sail handling is not proper
 
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