Genset removal

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Nov 13, 2007
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Hunter 42 Fort Lauderdale
I just bought a 42 passage a couple months ago and have been working on her since. This is my first sailboat so it's been an adventure. I' currently trying to rip out the broken down genset and relace it with solar / a huge battery bank. Anyway, does anyone have any idea how you get the genset out of the boat? I called arnold to carry it for me but apparently he's busy governing a state.
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,154
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
Are you sure you want to do this?

Is the genset non-repairable? If it is repairable, I would think twice about removing it. I believe that most 42's came with a genset and it's removal would affect resale value. What is wrong with the genset? BTW, for a FIRST sailboat you sure went "whole-hog"...... Congratulations.
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,947
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
If it were my boat I would get the Genset...

running rather than replacing it with solar and/or a huge battery bank. Ours came with an Onan 8KW Genset (three cylinder Kubota diesel) with only about 260 hours on it and that was in 2002. It now has about 360 hours and still runs great. Ours also came with dual reverse cycle heat pumps, which needed the Genset to operate while on the hook. I suspect if you want to remain comfortable on the boat during the HOT summer days in Florida you will need the Genset to operate the heat pumps and also to keep the battery bank charged. But, if you plan on spending all your time connected to shore power, then the Genset would be of little value. The only way I know of removing the Genset would be to crane it out through the companion way. Never done it though so I would suggest a call to Hunter Marine Customer Service for some advice. Terry
 
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Brad

Yeah but . . . .

The boat had a lot of water damage due to a fire in the engine room and subsequent neglect (I'm not too sure it didn't sink either.) The generator suffered a lot of corrosion, ruining the regulator, the starter, and just about every bolt. The alternator also isn't putting out the watts it's supposed to so i think it's time to send this horse to the glue factory. I planned on putting in around 1000 amp hours worth of fork-lift traction batteries with a 3kw inverter and two 100 wt solar panels. I think that should be enough to run my a/c when at anchor (i'm the amature here you guys tell me). Some old salt I met that I'm pretty sure was the first mate on the Ark gave me this idea but i'm certainly open to more suggestions. Putting in a new genset is out of the question due to the fact that I'm poor white trash.
 
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Benny

Permit me another suggestion.

A 3000 watt inverter, heavy duty copper wiring, safety fuse and two 100W solar panels and controller plus the batteries is going to run you at least $3,000 and if you plan on using the A/C regularly the panels may not be able to keep the batts charged. I would suggest getting a portable gas powered generator instead. The Honda eu2000 (2000W) retails for $999 and can sometimes be found on sale for around $900. It does require that you program your usage as although it will run most components in your boat it will not be able to do to many at once. It can run your A/C at night, then your microwave for breakfast and your battery charger during the day. Under full load it will burn around 1/5 of a gallon an hour. It has a built in tank with just under 1 gallon capacity so you may get from 4 hours to 8 hours depending on the load. An auxiliary outboard tank with 3 1/2 gallons can be added for it to run 12-15 hours at full load. Yes you have to factor in the price of a gallon of gas into your decision, but understand that the generator is a more reliable source of power than the solar panels. Also the gas expenditure will be according to your usage as opposed to being a fixed expense wether you use it or not. Installation and maintenance are also simpler with a portable generator. Besides you could also use it on land.
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,154
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
This math doesn't work.....

I have 2 reverse cycle A/C's on my h40.5. Probably pretty similar to what you have on your 42. My two units draw about 28A of 120V power when running, and a HUGE slug of power when starting. My 5KW genset runs them well. However, your plan of 1000AH of batteries and a 3KW inverter isn't going to work very well. Here is why..... First the inverter probably won't handle the startup surge that the A/C units demand. But assuming that somehow they actually start and run, to supply 28A of 120V power is 3360 watts. A bit over your 3Kw inverter. But let's assume that the 3Kw inverter will handle the startup and running load. The next issue is to determine how long it will run. If you are outputting 3000W of 120V power, you must put in more than 3000W of 12V power due to the conversion inefficiency. Probably 10-15% more than 3000W, or about 3400W of 12V power. If you divide 3400W by 12V you get a current draw of 283A. Your 1000AH bank is rated at a 20 hour rate. This means that you can draw 50A for 20 hours out of that bank before it is completely discharged. (50A times 20 hours equals 1000AH) The AH rating of the batteries drops significantly when the current draw is more than the 20 hour rate. In your case the current draw is 283A or nearly 6 times greater than the 20 hour rate. At a current draw of 283A, the amp-hour rating on your battery bank could be as low as 500-600 AH. You would be extremely lucky to be able to run your A/C for 2 hours. Now to recharge. If your 200W of solar panels are lucky enough to have constant and intense sunlight and you achieve the maximum power output of 200W, you will be able to charge your batteries at 200/12 or 16A. To replace the 1000AH this will require 1000/16 or 62 hours of sunlight. Actually at least 5% more than that due to charging inefficiency. Probably more like 66 hours. All of this ignores the rest of the 12V loads in your boat- refrigeration, lights, etc. The bottom line is that if you want A/C on the hook, you gotta have a genset. Nothing else will do the job. The reason your old salt offered the idea is probably because the Ark didn't have A/C and he wasn't directly familiar with the requirements. Sorry.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Sorry NO AC

Who ever told you you could run a AC with inverter is dreaming,I agree with RICH'S Math. Not even with the honda 2000 will you run the AC on that Boat. The Honda will do all the other mentioned. I love my Fisher Panda 4200 for running My one AC and charging, Microwave,Coffee pot water heater.
 
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Benny

dbDaniel, if your concern is having A/C

at anchor purchase a portable 9,000 btu unit for $299 or a 5,000 btu window unit for $80. Both will run with a Honda 2000eu. Either will allow you you to cool a section of the boat and allow you to sleep in some comfort at anchor. I agree the proper solution would be to rebuild the inboard genset but you have said that is an imposibility. I don't inten to beat a dead horse to death.
 
Dec 5, 2003
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Hunter 420 Punta Gorda, FL
Out the rear hatch

If the 42 is like my 420, then you remove the generator out the back door of the generator housing. Put plywood on the rear berth. Slide the genset onto the plywood and then hoist it out the rear hatch with a block and tackle rigged to the boom/topping lift. I am having problems with my genset and hope to get it working, but if I can't I will replace it to keep the resale value of the boat. You normally don't find a 42 foot cruising boat without a genset. Bill
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,947
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
The P42 is quite different from the 420...

You will have to slide it forward off the engine shelf and onto a temporary skid shelf then lift it up through the companionway hatch with some sort of mechanical device...block and tackle, small engine lift, etc. To remove it through the aft cabin means the removal of the batteries, inverter/charger, battery rack, etc. It would involve much less effort through the front IMHO. Terry
 
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