Genoa Bowlines Getting Caught Up

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Apr 26, 2005
286
Beneteau Oceanis 390 Tsehum Harbour, BC, Canada
When tacking my Beneteau 390, the bowlines on my 135% genoa clew regularly get caught on my inner mast baby forestay or sometimes on the shroudss. After a slick tack it is a pain to have to go forward to free them. Any ideas about how I can prevent this?
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
A couple of thoughts

Put a piece of PVC pipe on the baby stay. This will help the hang ups. The PVC will turn when the line is one it. The other thought would be to remove it completely.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Use a different hitch, Do you change sheets when

you change sails? If so then use a buntline hitch.
 
Oct 25, 2005
265
Macgregor 22' Long Beach
genoa bowlines

If your genoa sheets hang-up when tacking do the following. Do not release the sheet until the genoa is filled and straining to cross, THEN realease the sheet and pull on the new sheet at the same time. The sail should pop across and set quickly. Novelman
 

edd

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Jan 16, 2007
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sheets hang up on baby stay

Look closely at your bowline....One side is smooth on the side crossing the baby stay the other side has the line crossing and forms a trap for anything it is trying to move across (shrouds, babystay, etc.)Most folks tie the bowline the same for both sheets but in reality they must be tied differently for port and starbrd sheets...It also works well to whip the bitter end to the loop....
 

BarryL

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May 21, 2004
1,116
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 409 Mt. Sinai, NY
cow hitch

Hello, I stopped using bowlines and started using a cow hitch. IMHO, it's cleaner and easier. Here is a cow hitch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_hitch You will need a new line, twice the length of the individual sheets Good luck, Barry Barry Lenoble Day To Remember, 1986 O'day 35 Mt. Sinai, NY lenoble@optonline.net
 
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mortyd

bowlines

easy, wrap them in rigging tape; it's good to have some on the boat anyway.
 
Apr 26, 2005
286
Beneteau Oceanis 390 Tsehum Harbour, BC, Canada
Catchy Bowlines

Thanks for your ideas fellow sailors. I will try them next at the boat on May 1 after tax season. As usual, you have all come up with great ideas and I salute you all. I trust you will all have some of the following this summer: - not too many breakages - crew whose company you enjoy - cold beer with a slice of real lime - good ocean-going music - following winds on occasion (fly that kite) - an avoidance of those hard bits under the ocean - time to pursue our wonderful passion Enjoy!! Peter
 
Dec 2, 2003
1,637
Hunter 376 Warsash, England --
I Suffered this Too - but

Everything was solved when I made the bowline loops about 6" long. The knot first passes over the inner stay to be followed by the clew. QED. BTW I also leave 6" long tails on the bowlines then, if the sail is allowed to flog, the knots do not come undone.
 
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Warren Milberg

I was astounded to read

an article not long ago in "Good Old Boat" about the many ways people secure their sheets to a headsail clew. Many of the diagrams where quite complicated for what ought to be a simple task. If I recall the article accurately, it seemed to frown on the use of bowlines as they could flog themselves open in a blow. Yet in over 30 yrs of sailing, I've used bowlines for my headsail sheets almost exclusively and cannot remember one ever opening when I didn't want it to open. While they may hang up on the rigging (mine tend to hang up on a spinnaker pole fitting on the mast)now and then, virtually any knot/bend/or shackle would probably have the same tendency, particularly with an inner stay or baby stay which it must pass around. I've found that backing the headsail a bit prior to bringing it across the bow when tacking, releasing the old sheet crisply and cranking in the new sheet quickly, avoids many of these problems. As Ross and others mentioned, a buntline hitch is a great knot and one I really like, particularly for halyard shackles. But it also cinches up tight and that could be a problem with some kinds of clew cringles. It also makes them very hard to untie. One thing is for sure IMHO: I'll never use a metal shackle to secure sheets to a headsail. That is a sure way to get yourself hurt, or worse, if you ever have to go forward in a blow to deal with a flogging headsail.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
I used to use a single double length sheet .....

with a simple clove hitch attachment to the clew cringle. I have a cutter rig so its important not to continually catch the clew knot on the forestay. That single sheet configuration with clove hitch hardly if ever fouled; the clove hitch would 'slip' but not much enough to matter. Ive had bowlines flog loose during storm conditions. I currently use buntlines (over-seized with marline) and although much smaller than a bowline do occasionally foul on the forestay. They do jam closed... a sharp knife makes quick work of that. When my current sheets (2) wear out Im definitely going back to a single double-length sheet. Was thinking about reeving a short pennant to the clew ... and simply attaching the sheet to the short pendant with a double wrapped (and seized) sheet-bend or Zeppelin bend.
 
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