gelcoat

Oct 17, 2025
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boomaroo 22 22 Sydney
Sorry to sound stupid but if i mix epoxy resin with hardener is that not called Gelcoat? Because the more I sand this boat the more interesting the boat becomes in revealing it's past. So I am thinking of why not just put an epoxy clear coat encapsulating the whole hull..
Anyway I know what you are thinking...
 
Oct 10, 2009
1,057
Catalina 27 3657 Lake Monroe
Others with more expertise will surely provide details, but generally epoxy should be considered structural and adhesive, so that when combined with fiberglass mat, it holds things together to form the deck, hull, etc. But it's not UV resistant. Gelcoat, on the other hand, is a decorative finish that can be colored, polished nice and shiny. But it doesn't have the same structural capacity.
 
May 17, 2004
5,816
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Gelcoat and epoxy are two different compounds. Gelcoat is polyester based; epoxy is, well, epoxy based. They each have slightly different properties. For your case the big differences are:
- Epoxy will stick to either other epoxy or polyester substrates. Gelcoat can stick to both, but getting it to stick to an epoxy substrate is a little finickier. Unfortunately neither is really guaranteed to stick well if the lower layer is paint.
- Gelcoat is reasonably UV stable, but epoxy generally isn’t. If left exposed to the sun without a UV stable coating it will discolor and may turn brittle.
- Epoxy is generally considered fully waterproof. Gelcoat is very water resistant but can allow some osmosis over time when submerged.

In a case like yours I would probably not bother with gelcoat. I would sand as much as necessary to get remove whatever layers of paint are there. I’d put an epoxy barrier coat on the bottom and then some type of anti fouling, maybe VC-17, on that. Above the waterline I’d use a paint, probably a quality two part paint like Alexseal, with their primer underneath. If the surface isn’t smooth I’d fair it with an epoxy based fairing compound first.
 
Jan 11, 2014
13,266
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
To add to @Davidasailor26 comments. While polyester resin, gelcoat, and epoxy are all resin based the chemistry behind them is very different. When polyester resin is catalyzed the resin undergoes a physical process which causes it to harden, basically the molecules in the resin realign themselves and become more tightly packed. When epoxy resin and hardener are mixed they form a new and different compound which becomes solid.

Because curing epoxy is a chemical process, it can not be accelerated by adding more hardener, the resin and hardener must be mixed in exactly the right proportions, if not the result is a sticky mess that needs to be cleaned up. On the other hand adding a little extra catalyst to polyester resin will accelerate the cure, however, a rapid curing using additional catalyst may yield a weaker resin.
 

colemj

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Jul 13, 2004
765
Dolphin Catamaran Dolphin 460 Mystic, CT
Gelcoat is not only polyester based. There are vinylester and epoxy gelcoats. "Gelcoat" is just a term describing a thickened and (usually) colored resin that is formulated as a topcoat for appearance and somewhat for protection.

So you are mostly correct in your assumption, but possibly misplaced in your goal. Coating the entire hull with epoxy would technically work, but it will be a real pain to get fair (straight epoxy resin will be hard to sand), and you would still need to coat over it with something that is UV resistant. You could use an epoxy gelcoat, but there is no advantage to that in your case. A polyester gelcoat would be cheaper and easier.

Painting is also an inexpensive and easy way to get a good finish. You will need to fair the hull well before painting.

Mark
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,720
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
When polyester resin is catalyzed the resin undergoes a physical process which causes it to harden, basically the molecules in the resin realign themselves and become more tightly packed. When epoxy resin and hardener are mixed they form a new and different compound which becomes solid.
Polyester resins cross link forming one supra-molecule.

The polyester polymer chains have some danglers hanging off of the chain. The danglers have carbon-carbon double bonds (each dash in a bond = 2 electrons). The double bond region is electron rich. The hardener is benzoyl peroxide. Peroxides break easily forming a free radical (*). A free radical represents an unpaired electrons. Electrons hate to be unpaired. The Radical attacks the electron rich double bond forming a bond to carbon... and the "left-over" electron from the original bond moves to the end of the chain (see pic below) and the new free radical then goes on the hunt for a mate. It can pair with another free radical on a neighboring chain... or it can attack a double bond on a neighboring chain... or it can be "quenched" by another benxzoyl peroxide radical. The first two possible outcomes form a tether between two polyester chains. This is what is happening when bondo hardens.

In the picture below, two terminal radicals on neighboring chains meet to form a bond. The blue curved arrows represent the "path" that the unpaired electrons (radicals) take. Ideally, this process occurs many thousands of time and in the end the resin becomes a single large molecule.

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When you use too much hardener, you create an excess of Benzoyl Peroxide radicals (X*) and these will "sponge up" some of the radicals formed at the end of the danglers. This creates incomplete cross linking and weakens structural integrity of the final set.

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Jan 11, 2014
13,266
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Polyester resins cross link forming one supra-molecule.

The polyester polymer chains have some danglers hanging off of the chain. The danglers have carbon-carbon double bonds (each dash in a bond = 2 electrons). The double bond region is electron rich. The hardener is benzoyl peroxide. Peroxides break easily forming a free radical (*). A free radical represents an unpaired electrons. Electrons hate to be unpaired. The Radical attacks the electron rich double bond forming a bond to carbon... and the "left-over" electron from the original bond moves to the end of the chain (see pic below) and the new free radical then goes on the hunt for a mate. It can pair with another free radical on a neighboring chain... or it can attack a double bond on a neighboring chain... or it can be "quenched" by another benxzoyl peroxide radical. The first two possible outcomes form a tether between two polyester chains. This is what is happening when bondo hardens.

In the picture below, two terminal radicals on neighboring chains meet to form a bond. The blue curved arrows represent the "path" that the unpaired electrons (radicals) take. Ideally, this process occurs many thousands of time and in the end the resin becomes a single large molecule.

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When you use too much hardener, you create an excess of Benzoyl Peroxide radicals (X*) and these will "sponge up" some of the radicals formed at the end of the danglers. This creates incomplete cross linking and weakens structural integrity of the final set.

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Spoken like a true chemistry teacher, not one who wandered away from that profession a half century ago. :biggrin:

I thought the catalyst for polyester resin was MEKP, methyl ethyl ketone peroxide. The ratio can also be varied based on temperature and to speed up or slow down the cure time. When mixing the resin the important distinction between polyester and epoxy resins is there is only one ratio for epoxy and there is some variability with polyester.


 

colemj

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Jul 13, 2004
765
Dolphin Catamaran Dolphin 460 Mystic, CT
To complete the chemistry lesson, there is no "hardener" like in epoxy - it is a catalyst. Benzoyl peroxide can be used as a catalyst, but the more common catalyst for fiberglass resin is MEKP.

But the resin crosslink reaction time with catalyst is almost infinitely slow, so an accelerator is necessary to make the reaction cure in any useable timeframe. Cobalt is the most common accelerator used with polyester resin. It is added to the resin by the manufacturer.

If you've worked with many different types/brands of polyester resin, you've probably come across some that fight you, or act unexpectedly - not curing as fast as expected, or kicking off way faster than expected. This is due to the type and amount of accelerator used in that particular resin. It can catch you by surprise. When my resin supply changes, I never start a large layup without first doing some small test pieces to get a feel for the amount of catalyst needed and how the resulting mix tools.

Too much catalyst doesn't stop crosslinking by sponging up radical sites. Well, maybe if added in extremely large amounts where it dilutes out the reaction. Too much catalyst will promote too rapid crosslinking and generate a ton of heat. The rapid crosslinking can trap and lock uncrosslinked resin molecules, and the heat will make the cure brittle and warped, which will be structurally weaker. If it doesn't just catch fire first :) .

To clarify the epoxy ratio discussion, there are many ratios for epoxy, but each one needs to be exact for its cure. The difference is mostly in the hardener, as the epoxy resin itself is the same for all. So if you have a 3:1 hardener, you need to get that ratio exact. But if you have a 5:1 hardener, it must be mixed 5:1, etc.

That article on polyester mixing ratios is interesting, but has two points that need addressing. They mention an accelerator as optional. It is not, and you won't find many polyester resins without an accelerator. However, one can use additional accelerator for faster cure times with smaller catalyst ratios for particular types of work, and they should have made that clearer. The other point is their statement that polyester resin will not cure without a catalyst. I have a 1/3 gallon of old resin sitting in front of me (to be tossed tomorrow) that proves that wrong. I also have 1/2qt of old gelcoat solid in the can to go too. Neither have seen catalyst. The key is the term "catalyst", which is described in chemical terms as a substance that speeds up a chemical reaction. In other words, that reaction is going to occur with or without a catalyst. Just not in any usable time frame. Polyester resin and gelcoat have less than a year of shelf life until the native reaction renders them solid. Much less if they were stored in a bow locker in equatorial sun (ahem).

Mark