Hi everyone, I'm currently refitting an Albin Vega (2887) and preparing her for offshore cruising next year. In the process, the original Volvo was removed. I have build an outboard well in what was the lazarette. Of course the new outboard (6 hp) runs on gasoline. So I'm considering using the original plastic fuel tank with gasoline. Anyone did that ? The tank was completely clean and is in pristine condition with new hoses, gaskets and everything. Is there a problem to fill it with gasoline instead of diesel fuel ? Thanks for your input! jf_fortier
Gasoline in the the bilge (diesel) tank ?
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I would not do that. I would carry fuel in tanks or jugs on deck. IF
you have fuel below decks you should have a blower to eliminate
fumes from below decks. You will need a whole ventalation syastem.
What you want to do here in the USA must be approved and likely most
other countries as well. Even lighting a cook stove will be
dangerous or even throwing a switch could cause an explosion. IT can
be done withe some safty if you know what you are doing but it is
dangerous. I would not do it. Doug
you have fuel below decks you should have a blower to eliminate
fumes from below decks. You will need a whole ventalation syastem.
What you want to do here in the USA must be approved and likely most
other countries as well. Even lighting a cook stove will be
dangerous or even throwing a switch could cause an explosion. IT can
be done withe some safty if you know what you are doing but it is
dangerous. I would not do it. Doug
You would be on a floating bomb - Huge no
no
Steve B
From: Douglas Pollard dougpol2@...
[AlbinVega]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:53 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Gasoline in the the bilge (diesel) tank
?
I would not do that. I would carry fuel in tanks or jugs on deck. IF you have
fuel below decks you should have a blower to eliminate fumes from below
decks. You will need a whole ventalation syastem. What you want to do here in
the USA must be approved and likely most other countries as well. Even
lighting a cook stove will be dangerous or even throwing a switch could cause an
explosion. IT can be done withe some safty if you know what you are doing but it
is dangerous. I would not do it. Doug
no
Steve B
From: Douglas Pollard dougpol2@...
[AlbinVega]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:53 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Gasoline in the the bilge (diesel) tank
?
I would not do that. I would carry fuel in tanks or jugs on deck. IF you have
fuel below decks you should have a blower to eliminate fumes from below
decks. You will need a whole ventalation syastem. What you want to do here in
the USA must be approved and likely most other countries as well. Even
lighting a cook stove will be dangerous or even throwing a switch could cause an
explosion. IT can be done withe some safty if you know what you are doing but it
is dangerous. I would not do it. Doug
So, out of curiosity, in the Vegas that came with the Albin gas engine, where was the fuel tank located?From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 7:03 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Gasoline in the the bilge (diesel) tank ?
You would be on a floating bomb - Huge no no
Steve B
From:
Douglas Pollard dougpol2@... [AlbinVega]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:53 PM
To:
AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Gasoline in the the bilge (diesel) tank ?
I would not do that. I would carry fuel in tanks or jugs on deck. IF you have fuel below decks you should have a blower to eliminate fumes from below decks. You will need a whole ventalation syastem. What you want to do here in the USA must be approved
and likely most other countries as well. Even lighting a cook stove will be dangerous or even throwing a switch could cause an explosion. IT can be done withe some safty if you know what you are doing but it is dangerous. I would not do it. Doug
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 7:03 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Gasoline in the the bilge (diesel) tank ?
You would be on a floating bomb - Huge no no
Steve B
From:
Douglas Pollard dougpol2@... [AlbinVega]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:53 PM
To:
AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Gasoline in the the bilge (diesel) tank ?
I would not do that. I would carry fuel in tanks or jugs on deck. IF you have fuel below decks you should have a blower to eliminate fumes from below decks. You will need a whole ventalation syastem. What you want to do here in the USA must be approved
and likely most other countries as well. Even lighting a cook stove will be dangerous or even throwing a switch could cause an explosion. IT can be done withe some safty if you know what you are doing but it is dangerous. I would not do it. Doug
The tank was located in the bilge. There was a blower to remove
bilge fumes and a very good natural ventalation system. That is why
I said you will need to be willing install such a system. The big
advantage they had was that people were used to having gasoline on
boat's. They knew that every time the filled the tanks they had to
run the blower for at least five minutes. Mos boats that blow up
with Gasoline fumes blow up right after filling. When the tank is
empty and you start filling with gasoline all the fumes that are in
the tank are forced out into the boat. All of this has to be
evacuated from the boat. I am not afraid of gasoline on a boat as I
used boats with gasoline engines for many years but it all has to be
right and more import the sailor has to know what he is doing. There
are few today that have that knowledge so in their hands gasoline
inside the boat is a bomb. Doug
On 10/29/2014 11:30 AM, 'Perret, Matias
N' matias-perret@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
bilge fumes and a very good natural ventalation system. That is why
I said you will need to be willing install such a system. The big
advantage they had was that people were used to having gasoline on
boat's. They knew that every time the filled the tanks they had to
run the blower for at least five minutes. Mos boats that blow up
with Gasoline fumes blow up right after filling. When the tank is
empty and you start filling with gasoline all the fumes that are in
the tank are forced out into the boat. All of this has to be
evacuated from the boat. I am not afraid of gasoline on a boat as I
used boats with gasoline engines for many years but it all has to be
right and more import the sailor has to know what he is doing. There
are few today that have that knowledge so in their hands gasoline
inside the boat is a bomb. Doug
On 10/29/2014 11:30 AM, 'Perret, Matias
N' matias-perret@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
Series I vegas with Albin 021/022 Petrol engines
had their fuel tank in the starboard locker. It was copper and cylindrical. Vent
Blowers/Suckers were also installed. These blowers have mostly ceased to work by
now. Putting petrol in the keel is asking for trouble BUT your Vega, your
life!
Cheers
Steve B
From: Douglas Pollard dougpol2@...
[AlbinVega]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 4:41 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Gasoline in the the bilge (diesel) tank
?
The tank was located in the bilge. There was a blower to remove bilge fumes
and a very good natural ventalation system. That is why I said you will need to
be willing install such a system. The big advantage they had was that
people were used to having gasoline on boat's. They knew that every time the
filled the tanks they had to run the blower for at least five minutes. Mos boats
that blow up with Gasoline fumes blow up right after filling. When the
tank is empty and you start filling with gasoline all the fumes that are
in the tank are forced out into the boat. All of this has to be evacuated from
the boat. I am not afraid of gasoline on a boat as I used boats with
gasoline engines for many years but it all has to be right and more import the
sailor has to know what he is doing. There are few today that have that
knowledge so in their hands gasoline inside the boat is a bomb.
Doug
On 10/29/2014 11:30 AM, 'Perret, Matias N' matias-perret@... [AlbinVega]
wrote:
had their fuel tank in the starboard locker. It was copper and cylindrical. Vent
Blowers/Suckers were also installed. These blowers have mostly ceased to work by
now. Putting petrol in the keel is asking for trouble BUT your Vega, your
life!
Cheers
Steve B
From: Douglas Pollard dougpol2@...
[AlbinVega]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 4:41 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Gasoline in the the bilge (diesel) tank
?
The tank was located in the bilge. There was a blower to remove bilge fumes
and a very good natural ventalation system. That is why I said you will need to
be willing install such a system. The big advantage they had was that
people were used to having gasoline on boat's. They knew that every time the
filled the tanks they had to run the blower for at least five minutes. Mos boats
that blow up with Gasoline fumes blow up right after filling. When the
tank is empty and you start filling with gasoline all the fumes that are
in the tank are forced out into the boat. All of this has to be evacuated from
the boat. I am not afraid of gasoline on a boat as I used boats with
gasoline engines for many years but it all has to be right and more import the
sailor has to know what he is doing. There are few today that have that
knowledge so in their hands gasoline inside the boat is a bomb.
Doug
On 10/29/2014 11:30 AM, 'Perret, Matias N' matias-perret@... [AlbinVega]
wrote:
I replaced the diesel on my Vega with an outboard. What I did to be able to carry gasoline without creating issues of the fumes inside the boat is to create a platform to strap down the fuel tank on the stern just behind the aft cockpit combing. To start with, I'm just strapping down the tank so I can make sure that enclosing it will not make it difficult get to the outboard. A big advantage to locating the tank there is that no fuel pump is needed and the run to the outboard is short and outside the boat.RicBlue Max#2692www.ric-maxfield.net
OH, well, I obvious thought they were in the bilge becuase I saw one
in the builge. It's been a long time ago but I am pretty sure it was
a Vega and the tank was under the cabin sole. Anyway in addition to
gas in the builge there was a gasoline engine with Spark plugse and
arcking starter and all the rest so I guess it works if you can suck
the fumes out. On another note. As a boy in the Sea Scouts several
of us boys were staying aboard at anchor on an old Elco power boat
with having made the promis to our nautical leader that we would not
take the boat out. Setting around talking with a candle burning on
the tabletop about Eleven o'clock at night there was a sudden thump,
cabin sole boards flew a couple feet in the air. Not all that loud
and we found ourselves looking at stars overhead . A section of the
cabin top was blown off. I distinctly remember that the explosion
was not very loud but it was heard a couple miles away in town. They
said it rattled the windows. So gasoline is dangerous and I would
keep it out of the boat.
On 10/29/2014 03:58 PM, 'steve@...' steve@...
[AlbinVega] wrote:
in the builge. It's been a long time ago but I am pretty sure it was
a Vega and the tank was under the cabin sole. Anyway in addition to
gas in the builge there was a gasoline engine with Spark plugse and
arcking starter and all the rest so I guess it works if you can suck
the fumes out. On another note. As a boy in the Sea Scouts several
of us boys were staying aboard at anchor on an old Elco power boat
with having made the promis to our nautical leader that we would not
take the boat out. Setting around talking with a candle burning on
the tabletop about Eleven o'clock at night there was a sudden thump,
cabin sole boards flew a couple feet in the air. Not all that loud
and we found ourselves looking at stars overhead . A section of the
cabin top was blown off. I distinctly remember that the explosion
was not very loud but it was heard a couple miles away in town. They
said it rattled the windows. So gasoline is dangerous and I would
keep it out of the boat.
On 10/29/2014 03:58 PM, 'steve@...' steve@...
[AlbinVega] wrote:
IF I were going to store anything in the bilge it would be water. MY
batteries are in the starboard cockpit locker I will likely leave
one in there and put the other two back in the bulge where they were
originally. Water and batteries are pretty good ballast or at least
better than air . Doug
On 10/29/2014 05:13 PM, n6ric@...
[AlbinVega] wrote:
batteries are in the starboard cockpit locker I will likely leave
one in there and put the other two back in the bulge where they were
originally. Water and batteries are pretty good ballast or at least
better than air . Doug
On 10/29/2014 05:13 PM, n6ric@...
[AlbinVega] wrote:
I don't know a lot about this but I do know most welders can now
weld plastic. Maybe you could cut out a tank from cardboard and then
cut the plastic to match. Take it to a local welder and have him
weld it together. I suspect you can look it up on line to get the
particulars. Lets us all know what you find out.
Doug
On 10/30/2014 11:18 AM, simplisupr
simplisupr@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
weld plastic. Maybe you could cut out a tank from cardboard and then
cut the plastic to match. Take it to a local welder and have him
weld it together. I suspect you can look it up on line to get the
particulars. Lets us all know what you find out.
Doug
On 10/30/2014 11:18 AM, simplisupr
simplisupr@... [AlbinVega] wrote: