Galley: Yes or No?

[GorillaToast]

I plan to stay on my boat as much as possible this coming year ( April - Oct). It will be at the marina that has restroom and shower facilities. I've already removed the head and tank, but now I need to make a decision about the Galley.

I will probably only be cooking breakfasts and 1 evening meal a week on the boat. I plan to get a simple camp stove and use it in the cockpit. I don't plan to use the water tank; I'll get those 2.5 gal rectangular water jugs from the grocery (one I'll refill for dishwater as needed, the other will be for coffee and refilling water bottles).

I plan to put a large cooler for cooling foods, where the head was so I don't need the little icebox in the galley.

The only thing I can think of needing the galley for is the sink for doing dishes, but that present a whole new bunch of challenges because the sink drain is not currently connected, and I've read that teeing it into the scupper drain is a potential source of problems. I suppose I could do dishes in a orange 5gal bucket. Can I throw the used water overboard, or will I have to shlep it up the hill to the restrooms?

If I get rid of the galley, I will put in a teak bulkhead extending down from the companionway bulkhead and cut to fill the space on either side of the winch. On the starboard side of that bulkhead, I'll put a new breaker panel, stereo, vhf, and the drawer from the galley (I'd really hate to lose that). That will give me tons of extra storage then under the SB cockpit seat.

OK, I've convinced myself - the galley has to go.

Thanks guys.

 

[Tom J]

You'll want to think about some kind of shelter for the cockpit, at least a tarp thrown over the boom, since the weather won't always be perfect. We find that we spend most of our time in the cockpit anyway.

 

[sinnettc]

probably not legal to throw your gray water overboard so I guess you're shlepping it . . .

 

[Ray Bowles]

We did a lot of sail camping in our C22. It had a galley when we bought it and it took up the entire starboard 1/4 berth and weighed approx 100#. It never made a voyage with us. We boom tarped and cooked in the cockpit with a Coleman. You can cook inside, but we didn't want the moisture. Do you have the pop top tarp? We did and that makes all the difference in interior room. Good Luck.
Ray

 

[Squidd]

probably not legal to throw your gray water overboard so I guess you're shlepping it . . .

How is that different than going down the sink drain and thru the thru hull..?

 

[GorillaToast]

How is that different than going down the sink drain and thru the thru hull..?

Exactly what I was thinkin'.

 

[CaptDon01]

One of my old jobs with the F.A.A. required me to travel for installation projects. Often I would be in the same location for months at a time. In 1992 I was assigned to a project at the St. Louis airport for 6 months or better. I towed my C-22 to St. Louis and had her in a slip on the Mississippi River in Portage Des Sioux, MO. Rather than stay in motels, I lived on the C-22 from April thru October that year. The original version C-22 galley was pretty much worthless, as most would agree. I only used it for dry storage, and the sink was a great place to burn a citronella candle at night to help keep the mosquito's out of the cabin. I did have a boom-tent so I could keep the pop-top open at night. I also had a full marine head with a 12 gallon holding tank that was VERY nice, and I slept on the dinette berth. Our Current C-22, (MK-II) galley is just a little more useful than our original C-22 galley was. Mostly used for storage. We normally use paper plate for meals, and disposable plastic-ware. We also use small foam cups for coffee so we don't have to wash them either. The only thing we have to wash is maybe a frying pan, knive, or other cooking utensils. We use a plastic dish pan for those jobs that we keep onboard. We do the majority of our cooking onboard with a Forespar Mini-Galley on the compression post, or the propane Magma grill on the stern. The butane stove on the slide-out galley is ocasionally used for morning omelette's, or taco's for dinner, but those can be cooked on the Magma grill as well.

Don

 

[Bilbo]

,,,,,,,,,,,
The only thing I can think of needing the galley for is the sink for doing dishes, but that present a whole new bunch of challenges because the sink drain is not currently connected, and I've read that teeing it into the scupper drain is a potential source of problems. I suppose I could do dishes in a orange 5gal bucket. Can I throw the used water overboard, or will I have to shlep it up the hill to the restrooms?......
OK, I've convinced myself - the galley has to go.

Thanks guys.

Well, I don't think that 'legally' you are allowed to discharge anything in the way of waste water (toilet or galley) into a state park lake in Ohio. My lake is slightly different (Shared states of Pa and Ohio) but I am not allowed to have my sink even hooked up to the discharge line. Removing the galley gives you plenty of storage where if you're sleeping aboard a C22.....is much welcomed.

 

[sailingandsuch]

Remove it! Absolutely!

I think they are a waste on a sailboat this size, especailly for the type of cooking and cleaning you are planning on. I plan on have a very simple cooking routine most of the time. I am a backpacker and I plan on eating like a backpacker, which is alot of prepackaged (at home of course) freeze dried meals with meats in foil packets to add. Of course spearing or fishing for dinner is an option very high priority too. I have a small Coleman single burner stove that I plan on boiling water for freeze dreid meals and pan searing a fish or lobster every so often on.

I am going to make myself a small "toolbox galley" for house my cooker, pots/pans and utensils in. I have seen some around the internet that looked great, everything is self contained in one small toolbox. Just to cool!

 

[Merlin Clark]

Our Ensenada 20 had a small fixed galley counter with a jerry jug below for fresh water and another for sink drain and this worked very well. I guess this would call for mounting a sink somewhere in the Catalina. A sink with working faucet is a small but worthwhile luxury.
Add a porta potty and you're self contained and meet all the regs/rules.

 

[Chris Patterson]

I guess ol' Frank and the gang had a pretty decent idea about the "galley" sliding out and all, as space aboard most boats are at a premium. I did take the little drawer out of mine to install elsewhere on the boat, it's kinda neat. But the sink? What kind of sick, twisted, and maniacal mind would consider washing ANYTHING with one hand, while pumping with the other? Maybe a foot pump, or added electrical pump might suffice. I've had good luck with automotive windshield washer pumps. They last forever, and unrestricted with the orifice nozzle, pump a surprising amount of water. But the silly little sink is not big enough for a coffee cup. I intend to take the remainder of the thing and create an artificial reef out of it.
And like CaptDon said; paper plates man. I've got plenty of them already. When the woman gets drunk and kinda mouthy, I'll chain her up to the commode for a few days to calm her down, but you wanta feed them on paper plates so they can't use the china as a weapon...

 

[Chris Patterson]

Here's somebody else's idea, not mine. Think I saved it from deep in the archives..

 

[GorillaToast]

Here's somebody else's idea, not mine. Think I saved it from deep in the archives..

Excellent!

And the space next to it is just right to stow crib boards(a guy at my marina has a board with vertical pvc pipes and pipe insulation that he slides his into). That's sure gotta beat getting your clothes out of plastic tubs every morning.

I do plan to put that little drawer somewhere else, and make access doors for the starboard bilge under the settee, and starboard space forward of the bulkhead. Asfa paper plates, I'd prefer not to add that cost to my budget.

 

[Bilbo]

here's somethng regarding the sink in our 22S and Ohio State Pk. regs:

http://ohiodnr.com/watercraft/opsguide/ohiovr2/tabid/2752/Default.aspx

"Vessel Sanitary Systems
(ORC 1547.33)
Except on Lake Erie, the Muskingum River and the Ohio River, no person shall launch, moor, dock, operate or permit to be operated any vessel with a sink, toilet, or sanitary system capable of discharging urine, fecal matter, contents of a chemical commode, kitchen wastes, laundry wastes, slop sink drainage, or other household wastes into the waters in this state. Such a sink, toilet, or sanitary system shall be removed, sealed or made to drain into a tank or reservoir that can be carried or pumped ashore for disposal in an approved sewage treatment works. "

They don't encourage drinking of alcoholic beverages in the outdoors (on boats) and also don't allow sleeping or swimming aboard boats..... unless in designated areas. I don't think that my lake has any. This is not to say that these things aren't done. Some people regularly stay out all night, fishing, drinking, swimming and whatever on their boats on our local lake.

 

[Chris Patterson]

My Lord. I don't mean to sound disparaging about your home waters Bilbo, but what exactly DO they allow on the waters in Ohio?
However, while I'm thinking it, I'm not sure what they do, and do not allow on coastal N.C. waters either. But I'm just your average outlaw anyway, bloodthirsty crimes like swimming off the boat and the like...

 

[Bilbo]

My Lord. I don't mean to sound disparaging about your home waters Bilbo, but what exactly DO they allow on the waters in Ohio?
However, while I'm thinking it, I'm not sure what they do, and do not allow on coastal N.C. waters either. But I'm just your average outlaw anyway, bloodthirsty crimes like swimming off the boat and the like...

Well...Our lake is on the border of Oh and Pa. so the regs for both lakes kind of apply. They allow you to pay for a boat license. If you fish, you need a fishing license, if you moor or dock you need a permit for that...and one for your dinghy. Speaking of dinghies...you even need a license to get hitched around here.

 

[jfrench]

Can't sleep aboard or SWIM from a boat? Sounds like one of those old laws you hear about like not spitting on Sundays or something!

OK, just had to do it...here's from a quick web search. Other things outlawed in Ohio:

In Ohio, if you ignore an orator on Decoration day to such an extent as to publicly play croquet or pitch horseshoes within one mile of the speaker’s stand, you can be fined $25.

Women are prohibited from wearing patent leather shoes in public.

It is illegal to fish for whales on Sunday.

It is illegal to get a fish drunk.

The Ohio driver’s education manual states that you must honk the horn whenever you pass another car.

Participating or conducting a duel is prohibited.

Breast feeding is not allowed in public.
(so please feed your breasts BEFORE you leave the house!)

Source: http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/ohio

(Revised 2005)

we now return you to your original thread....

 

[emgersh]

How is that different than going down the sink drain and thru the thru hull..?

Can't do either in the harbor or in most anchorages. Discharge of gray water, with food waste, or untreated sewage is only permitted more than 3 miles from shore. Your galley, as well as any head, should have a storage system for waste water with a pump out as well as the through hull.

 

[Squidd]

This is what Peggy Hall says...01-15-2011, 03:30 pm

"And while the inland lakes, including the Great Lakes in both the US and Canadian waters, are "no discharge," it's perfectly legal to flush directly overboard or dump a tank in the coastal waters of the Canadian Maritime Provinces.

... while it may be illegal to discharge water from a shower or a sink in a building into a storm drain or anywhere else except into the sewer or a septic tank...when it's from a vessel, "sewage" is only "human body waste and the waste from toilets and other receptacles intended to receive, retain or discharge human body waste." And "sewage" by THAT defintion is the only thing that's covered by federal--and therefore all state--marine sanitation laws.

Galley, bath and shower water from a vessel isn't "waste water"..it's known as "gray water"..and it's perfectly legal to discharge gray water directly overboard from a boat--not only in Lake Erie, but in ALL US waters except for a very few closed (not navigable by interstate vessel traffic) inland Lakes...Lake George is the only place in New York where gray water can't go directly overboard...there are a couple of lakes in NH, one or two in CA, and a few very small areas directly over reefs in the FL Keys National Marine Sanctuary.

As for onboard toilet facilities on a boat...it's quite legal in ALL US water, inland lakes and rivers as well as coastal waters, to use the lee rail or take a swim when necessary. It's only illegal to deposit it in any kind of container first...it has to be a "direct deposit" to be legal. "

 

[Bilbo]

Can't sleep aboard or SWIM from a boat? Sounds like one of those old laws you hear about like not spitting on Sundays or something!
........

"The Ohio driver’s education manual states that you must honk the horn whenever you pass another car."

Actually, this one is taken out of context. It refers to passing a car going the same direction in front of you on a two lane road. If you honk your horn and use your left turn signal as you begin to pass, it alerts the driver in front of you so that he hopefully doesn't turn left when you are passing. This is particularly a good idea when passing farm equipment that will often turn into anywhere on a dime.

The funny one is: If two vehicles approach a 4-way stop sign at the same time, neither vehicle is permitted to proceed until the other one is clear of the intersection.