Furling mainsail

May 30, 2009
2
I am new to sailing and don't know the language, so please forgive me my blunders.
We have a 1979 Albin Vega, hull #3650, and are having trouble figuring out proper use of the furling mainsail, which furls around the boom.
1. Was a furling mainsail part of the original equipment? If so, does anyone know the manufacturer or where to find instructions?
2. We are able to raise the sail and lower it, but don't know how to reef and lock it into reefed position.
Does anyone have any advice?
Thanks for your help.
 
Jan 12, 2003
8
Wheer are you located...Perhaps I can help..I dont have a vega now, but
I learned to sail on a vega. S.F. Bay and out the gate
 
Jan 12, 2003
8
Our mainsail had eyelets for reefing and we used extra sheet cut to size to secure it to the boom.

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Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Hi.
AFAIK the original Vega setup was that the mainsail furled around the boom
using a swivel turned by a small furling handle that fitted into a (I
think) a square hole in forward face of the mast.

The advantage is that you can reef the main to any extent that you want,
99% down to 5%.

The downside is that the main is not outhauled after the reef is put in -
affecting the shape of the sail - and there is no vang/kicker unless you
fit a reefing claw or similar gadget.

Many/most owners have converted to conventional slab reefing. The previous
ownere of my Vega did exactly that & I am grateful to him!

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Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
IMHO the change to slab reefing is relatively cheap

(a reefing bar with 2 turning blocks, some fairleads to lead the reefing
lines forward along the boom, two horn or jam cleats on the boom to tie
off the line, a snapshackle or similar to secure the reefing cringle to
the gooseneck, the lines themselves and of course the sailmaker's work on
the sail - reefing cringles and reinforcements).

It gives you an unjammable (easily freed at least :) ) reefing system -
and a mainsail with a good shape.

And no "bits" to lose.

With two reefs in the main and full genoa, the Vega goes very well in a
blow and still points ok.

I wish that I had a third reef - my next mainsail will...

John

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Sep 13, 2002
203
I agree 100%, and it sounds exactly like my setup.

You'll find that most sails made for reefing this way have several cringles
for reefing points across the sail, but I have always found these to be
useless (at best) as they interfere with the shape of the sail, so one for
the tack and one for the clew are all you'll need for each reef.Alisdair
 
Apr 28, 2000
691
On Lealea, Vega1860, the reefing crank handle is permanently attached to the forward end of the boom fitting on the mast and locks into position at the bottom of each complete turn. Our mainsail (Not original) has reefing cringles for outhaul at the leech and cunningham at the luff positioned so that you can harden the foot and luff when reefed.

Too much jargon? Reef means to shorten sail - furl means to stow it completely. The Luff is the leading edge of the sail. The leech is the trailing edge. Cringles are large eyelets or grommets. A cunningham is a tackle that pulls down on the luff of the mainsail (Not normally used with a roller reefing main).

Roller reefing mains are indeed considered old fashioned but we have found the the system on the Vega works just fine although we had a conventional slab reef point added just below the numbers for those times when a very deep reef was needed (We have only used it once).

In Hawaii we always started out with a couple of turns on the reef handle before we left the marina. It is much easier to go forward to let out the reef in light wind than to crank in a reef when it gets exciting.

"Fair Winds"

Chuck Rose
SV Lealea, V1860
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Hi Chuck.
Wouldn't presume to debate with you re reefing system - I've only owned a
Vega for 5 years.

But a question, the previous owner of my boat installed slab reefing
because - he told me - the boom swivel (?) had seized and so the roller
reefing mechanism was useless.

Is this generally the reason why people change to slab reefing?
(Rather than the claimed benefits of slab vs roller reefing?)

Regards

John
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Apr 28, 2000
691
Aloha John,

I can't think of any reason to change from roller to slab reefing unless you needed to replace the boom and main sail. Fixing a stuck roller mechanism would be much easier and less costly than converting. Consider that, to do it "Right", you would have to have the sail re-cut and have reef points added. The boom itself should be replaced, I have been told, as the round section boom is not as strong as an oval or rectangular boom and the bolt rope at the foot of the sail precludes proper tying in of a reef. The mast should be fitted with a track for the forward boom end to ride in which will require a cunningham to tension the luff. You're talking serious expense without adding anything to the value of the boat. Even just adding reef points to your existing main, which IMO is just half-stepping the conversion, will cost several hundred dollars at a good sailmaker.

It is just not cost-effective in my opinion. If my entire rig went over the side, I would probably replace it with a conventional slab reefing rig but it might be more economical, given the current economic setting, to buy another Vega for the parts.

Performance wise, slab reefing is probably superior on the order of hanked on head sails over roller furlers but how much is the marginal performance advantage worth on a boat like the Vega?

I suppose the main reason people convert to slab reefing is that they are familiar with it and have no experience with the roller system. Most of us tend to prefer that to which we are accustomed over the unfamiliar.

Anyway, that's my $2.00 worth ($.02 adjusted for inflation)

"Fair Winds"

Chuck Rose
SV Lealea, V1860
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Hi Chuck thanks for that detailed reply.

I have the original round cross section boom - but my gooseneck is free to
move up/down a short track on the mast (can be pulled down with
cunningham.

I assumed that this track was a factory fit?

I'm puzzled by the comment "the bolt rope at the foot of the sail
precludes proper tying in of a reef".

Do you mean that it is not possible to tie down the reefed sail around the
boom using the small eyelets on the sail (not the reefing cringles)?

I have never bothered to do this (have the eyelets but never knotted in
light cords to tie down reefed sail) but I don't see why the bolt rope at
the foot of the sail would be a problem??

Thanks in advance for your patience.

John
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Sep 13, 2002
203
I think the only reason you would not have that track is if the reefing was
through the mast, rather than at the end of the boom.

I like the slab reefing for a few reasons:
1. it is quick to use.
2. The boom will be at a known angle, you don't have to worry about
fiddling around and being consistent with a reefing strop.
3. No need to remove the kicking strap while reefing

[of course, you can get around 2 and 3 by using a reefing claw]

I ended up with slab reefing 18 years ago when I bought a new mainsail. The
reefing points were included in the price, so I simply bought one of these
(http://marinestore.co.uk/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PL
B41483 ), a couple of cleats and a few metres of rope (different colour for
each reef). It's worked fine ever since.Alisdair
 
Oct 30, 2019
234
Hi Alisdair

The link to Marinestore does not seem to connect.

Regards

David Wisdish
V3283 PonteneurFrom: Alisdair Gurney
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 6:27 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] Re: Furling mainsail

I think the only reason you would not have that track is if the reefing was
through the mast, rather than at the end of the boom.

I like the slab reefing for a few reasons:
1. it is quick to use.
2. The boom will be at a known angle, you don't have to worry about
fiddling around and being consistent with a reefing strop.
3. No need to remove the kicking strap while reefing

[of course, you can get around 2 and 3 by using a reefing claw]

I ended up with slab reefing 18 years ago when I bought a new mainsail. The
reefing points were included in the price, so I simply bought one of these
(http://marinestore.co.uk/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PL
B41483 ), a couple of cleats and a few metres of rope (different colour for
each reef). It's worked fine ever since.

Alisdair
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
On a slightly facetious note, am I alone in using green for reefing lines
for first reef and red for second?

I don't (yet) have a third reef for my mainsail but when I do the line
will be BLACK!

OK, I suppose that in practice I'll just use the reefing line for the
first reef.

But it *should* be black... :)

John

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Sep 13, 2002
203
Blue for first, Red for second. I don't have a third set of reefing points,
and if I needed them I shouldn't be there - 2nd reef means conditions are
already bad enough.

Alisdair
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
As an electronics engineer I have a knowledge of CRTs and Screens ect which are driven by 3 Colour Guns (Red, Grenn, Blue) which is always shortened to RGB so Reef 1 = Red, reef 2 = Green and Reef 3 = BlueEasy for me to remember!

Cheers

Steve B
 
Oct 30, 2019
234
As an old duffer Traffic lights are my way of numbering reefs!!!!!!!!
Green=R1
Yellow=R2
Red=R3

David Wisdish
Ponteneur V3283

From: Steve Birch
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 6:20 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Re: Furling mainsail As an electronics engineer I have a knowledge of CRTs and Screens ect which are driven by 3 Colour Guns (Red, Grenn, Blue) which is always shortened to RGB so Reef 1 = Red, reef 2 = Green and Reef 3 = Blue

Easy for me to remember!

Cheers

Steve B
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
I second Chuck. Years ago I sailed on a big boat for 10 months with roller furling, up and down the east coast to Haiti, to Bermuda a couple times etc., so lots of wind from time to time. Given the choice I suppose I'd go with slab reefing but roller furling (on that boat, anyway) worked just fine. I don't think you need to feel you must replace the roller furling. You do need to be able to put a vang on the main but there are ways to do that with roller furling.Nicholas H. Walsh P.A.
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Portland ME 04101
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From: Chuck Rose
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:54 AM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlbinVega] Re: Furling mainsail Aloha John,

I can't think of any reason to change from roller to slab reefing unless you needed to replace the boom and main sail. Fixing a stuck roller mechanism would be much easier and less costly than converting. Consider that, to do it "Right", you would have to have the sail re-cut and have reef points added. The boom itself should be replaced, I have been told, as the round section boom is not as strong as an oval or rectangular boom and the bolt rope at the foot of the sail precludes proper tying in of a reef. The mast should be fitted with a track for the forward boom end to ride in which will require a cunningham to tension the luff. You're talking serious expense without adding anything to the value of the boat. Even just adding reef points to your existing main, which IMO is just half-stepping the conversion, will cost several hundred dollars at a good sailmaker.

It is just not cost-effective in my opinion. If my entire rig went over the side, I would probably replace it with a conventional slab reefing rig but it might be more economical, given the current economic setting, to buy another Vega for the parts.

Performance wise, slab reefing is probably superior on the order of hanked on head sails over roller furlers but how much is the marginal performance advantage worth on a boat like the Vega?

I suppose the main reason people convert to slab reefing is that they are familiar with it and have no experience with the roller system. Most of us tend to prefer that to which we are accustomed over the unfamiliar.

Anyway, that's my $2.00 worth ($.02 adjusted for inflation)

"Fair Winds"

Chuck Rose
SV Lealea, V1860
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
I do the same. Makes sense.Nicholas H. Walsh P.A.
111 Commercial St.
Portland ME 04101
207/772-2191
Fax 207/774-3940

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From: John A. Kinsella
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:41 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] Re: Furling mainsail On a slightly facetious note, am I alone in using green for reefing lines
for first reef and red for second?

I don't (yet) have a third reef for my mainsail but when I do the line
will be BLACK!

OK, I suppose that in practice I'll just use the reefing line for the
first reef.

But it *should* be black... :)

John

V1447 Breakaway

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