furler for fractional 25....

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Mar 20, 2012
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Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
I am looking for a headsail furler for my 25 fractional rig, but I've never used one and don't know what size i need.... can someone tell me what size i should be looking for?... I see new ones can be very expensive, and there are a few different brands to choose from.
is there any brand that i should be wary of purchasing?
I don't know size designations from the different brands that would fit my boat so that makes it difficult to look for a used one, but that's more my budget;)...
 
Nov 9, 2008
1,338
Pearson-O'Day 290 Portland Maine
Centerline,

CDI "Flexible Furler" foil is sent long and you cut it to length to fit your forestay. The bigger problem may be your sail. If it's hanked on, I don't know how it would fit. I'd contact CDI for information and look for a used one at marina grave yards. Also, ask Sumner on this forum. He owns a Mac25 that he and his wife,Ruth, sail all over the south west. They've also made some pretty impressive mods over the years too.

Don
 
Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
Centerline,

CDI "Flexible Furler" foil is sent long and you cut it to length to fit your forestay. The bigger problem may be your sail. If it's hanked on, I don't know how it would fit. I'd contact CDI for information and look for a used one at marina grave yards. Also, ask Sumner on this forum. He owns a Mac25 that he and his wife,Ruth, sail all over the south west. They've also made some pretty impressive mods over the years too.

Don
my sail is hanked on, but I have a 5/16 stainless cable for the bolt rope...

with what ive been reading, some furlers can either use the existing sail (without the hanks) if it has a cable for the bolt rope, or use a dedicated sail made for the furler track.... using the sail with the cable, you dont need the track but there is a swivel at the top, and the sail winds around the cable when its rotated...... not sure if thats how it actually works, but that is how I understand it to work..

Sumner and Ruth have done some great things to their boats. and although the basic rigging plan on their mac is almost identical, the boat is actually the 26-S model..
 
Nov 9, 2008
1,338
Pearson-O'Day 290 Portland Maine
With the CDI your unmodified forestay slides thru one side of the foil. It's a hole in the extrusion. The other side has a slot for the bolt rope and a halyard that is contained in a second slot. So, once installed, there's nothing dangling to cause the dreaded halyard wrap. I really like mine. Even though we trailer and step every time we sail, it's worth the additional trouble.
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,062
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
With the CDI your unmodified forestay slides thru one side of the foil. It's a hole in the extrusion. The other side has a slot for the bolt rope and a halyard that is contained in a second slot. So, once installed, there's nothing dangling to cause the dreaded halyard wrap. I really like mine. Even though we trailer and step every time we sail, it's worth the additional trouble.
It may need modification or replacement, depending on what kind of turnbuckle is installed. Check the manual.
I don't think they want a "locknutted" turnbuckle. Rather, a cotter-pinned type.

And the stay is routed through the center of the foil.

Yes, it's worth the trouble!
 
May 16, 2007
1,509
Boatless ! 26 Ottawa, Ontario
Many people have a CDI furler and really like them. I had one on a boat and did not like it at all. I sold it and bought a Snapfurl 700. I had two trailer sailors with Shaefer Snapfurlers on them, one a 500 the other a 700, http://www.furling.com/snapfurl.html . They can be snapped over an existing forestay, one big advantage is that the jib halyard can be easily adjusted unlike the CDI.

With a CDI any force pulling the furler up will lift the foil up along the forestay separating the inner and outer drum. It can trap the furling line between the drums when they come back down or take the end of your finger off if you happen to be trying to clear the problem at the time. :eek:

I would suggest that when you are going to add the furler you consider shortening the forestay and adding a Johnson lever, it makes getting that pin in so much easier :D.

I found that in the end the best way to buy a furler was to buy it with a sail at the same time. You may be surprised at what a difference that can make. I bought mine from Somerset Sails http://www.somersetsails.com/ . If you are on a real budget Martin may be able to re-cut a used sail to fit your boat and the new furler. I think Sumner bought his sails there as well.

I also had a Mac26S, you can look at a picture of the Snapfurl 500 and lever here, https://picasaweb.google.com/macsailor/Watermark9126S?authuser=0&feat=directlink

good luck, enjoy your Mac, Bob
 
Jun 8, 2004
10,536
-na -NA Anywhere USA
I introduced many mfgs. with CDI over the years one of course was cost but the ease putting together with the advantages.

First, it is a single extrusion which cannot move; thus, two part put together extrusions will move causing more issues than described in the last response.
Secondly, it has it own furling jib halyard and therefore, no halyard wrap to consider.
Third, you can easily lay it on the boat and in some intances can flex while any traditional metal furlers cannot which means taking them off.

Now for the issue with the furling drum line from the bottom furler, if you will furl your sail in all the way and of course tie if off leaving it on the furler, then I taught my customers to take the remaining furling line out and wrap it around the bottom of the furler tying it off. Never had the problem mentioned above.

Although I introduced the CDI to many, I did not nor would take anything for doing that other than a hand shake and a cup of coffee as this was done primarily for my customers.

crazy dave condon

ps One other thing, there is a life time warranty with the extrusion with the first owner uless it has changed.
 
Jun 8, 2004
853
Pearson 26W Marblehead
furler ror 25nft boat

I have a Pearson 26 W with a CDI ff4 Had it since 08 no trouble ever. no sticking no wrapping no lifting of the drum Thats not gonna happen provided you have the clevis pin that holds the drum down in place. I have a masthead rig probably has a longer hoist than you have. You might need an FF2 I got the bearing option with mine a reasonably priced extra
 

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Jan 9, 2012
52
San Juan 7.7 Bayfield WI
We installed a Hood 'SeaFlex' furler on our SanJuan7.7 last spring, and it was (a. Easy to install, and (b. performed perfectly on the water... It's also one of the most inexpensive on the market. The SJ7.7 is also 26' with a fractional rig.. I would check it out before you spend twice as much...
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,062
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
SBO wants $487.00 (plus the usuals) for the FF 2.
If Hood's is half that, well, that's a pretty good deal.
 
May 16, 2007
1,509
Boatless ! 26 Ottawa, Ontario
I introduced many mfgs. with CDI over the years one of course was cost but the ease putting together with the advantages.

First, it is a single extrusion which cannot move; thus, two part put together extrusions will move causing more issues than described in the last response.
Secondly, it has it own furling jib halyard and therefore, no halyard wrap to consider.
Third, you can easily lay it on the boat and in some intances can flex while any traditional metal furlers cannot which means taking them off.

Now for the issue with the furling drum line from the bottom furler, if you will furl your sail in all the way and of course tie if off leaving it on the furler, then I taught my customers to take the remaining furling line out and wrap it around the bottom of the furler tying it off. Never had the problem mentioned above.

Although I introduced the CDI to many, I did not nor would take anything for doing that other than a hand shake and a cup of coffee as this was done primarily for my customers.

crazy dave condon

ps One other thing, there is a life time warranty with the extrusion with the first owner uless it has changed.

Dave, I respect your advice and I know you have many more years experience with these products than I have. I think your advice is a very good way to deal with the furler when it is on the deck.

I did not go into any details of my bad experience with the CDI furler and so that may have caused some confusion.

The problem does not occur when the mast is down and the sail is furled but it can occur while sailing.

In my experience the plastic foil on the CDI furler is often cut a few inches shorter than the forestay. Usually the foil is cut a few inches longer than the luff of the sail, with a bit of forestay unused at the top. The inner furling drum that holds the line is attached to the foil, the stainless steel outer drum cover is pined to the bottom of the forestay.

The inner drum sits on two washers between the inner drum and s/s cover that act as a bearing. Gravity keeps the furling drum and s/s cover together.

If you are in the unusual situation that the leach of the sail is not under tension the force of the wind can lift the foil up the forestay. The furling line passes through the outer stainless steel drum and is now between the inner drum and the s/s cover and this can result in a jam.

It does not happen often but from personal experience I can warn anyone to keep their finger clear when this happens, when it goes back down it can be with a lot of force and it is like a little guillotine.

Many boats may be fitted with a CDI so it can not move up the forestay so they will not have this issue. The few I have looked at could have this happen. It is easy to see, just try lifting the furled sail up the forestay to see if it will move enough for the inner drum to go above the outer s/s cover.

As I said in my original post many people have CDI furler and really like them, I had one and did not like it. The replacement did cost more but I felt is was a much better furler and well worth the additional cost.

I am just posting my personal experience with two furlers made by different companies. I am not making a criticism of anyone's boat. Just some factors to be considered when deciding which one to buy.

Bob
 
Jun 8, 2004
550
Macgregor 26M Delta, B.C. Canada 26M not X
SBO wants $487.00 (plus the usuals) for the FF 2.
If Hood's is half that, well, that's a pretty good deal.
I doubt the Hood is half that price, but that (CDI price) is a very good price for a furler. That said, I too have the Schaefer Snapfurler CF700 and swear by it. I did have the halyard wrap problem and had to install a halyard restrainer for it but once done there were no further issues. The CF700 is a very slick unit and operates very smoothly. Being an open drum it will accomodate a thicker diameter line for hand comfort, I think mine is 1/4" line but I am sure it will take a 5/16" line. After several years now I would not take a CDI for free given how much I enjoy the Schaefer. I have witnessed a few members in our club experience some struggles with the CDI and the closed drum restricts them to a very small diameter line that is unkind to the hands.
On the other hand you get what you pay for, I paid $850.00 for my Schaefer and understand that I got an exceptionally good deal, they cost more than that. The CDI is more in the price range that folks with smaller boats are willing to pay and are within budget, the Schaefer is extravegent, but it sure is nice though....
On edit. it cost me $150 per sail X2 to remove the hanks and add a luff tape for the foil, still worth it!
 
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