Full batten main

Status
Not open for further replies.
C

Capt Ron;-)

" Off Base"

Well, ya caught me there Celeb, real name is Kurt Russell, probably never heard of me, but hang out with Goldie Hawn, and ski Vail with Martin Short and Steve Martin. Joe says you're 'off base' maybe he knows, I don't, and I must be too. I only post comments from my own experiences, not from books I read (oodles of 'em). As I wrote about my own experience of handling full battens and troubles had, I was thinking what if any twist for subtle gain or loss there was? I cannot accurately say, but my own personal opinion is this, I liked the full battend mains, all two of 'em, but at the end of the day, more trouble than they were worth.I was always fixing sumpthin associated with them, mind you I went through some awfull gales and three or four times got into a real STORM, and even though all is tied & nailed, the wind & sea battering against things take their toll. The comments on lying to a sea-anchor are for the groups education, sounds like Bob Gainer is the single one with any real experience, and so many 'advisers' on so many subjects they know little about. one fellow I know, was in the middle of the "Queens Birthday Storm" 1/2 way from N.Z. to Tonga, used an old car tire he had aboard with one inch warping line to good effect to hold his bow to the waves; optimum here is said to be fifty (50) degress off the direct line of the wave. Even with confused sea you can figure this out. My ego is not on the line one way or the other, and few, perhaps a half dozen, know my real name for very good reason. Speaking of that, one of 'em, pretty experienced too, asked about 'small-stuff' this is small line (like `1/4" nylon or even hemp) that is used to "mouse" or lock down a large line on a cleat, a one time use and temporary tactic that is tried and true. Lock it down with small stuff and it will not slip or slack off.
 
C

Capt Ron;-)

" Off Base"

Well, ya caught me there Celeb, real name is Kurt Russell, probably never heard of me, but hang out with Goldie Hawn, and ski Vail with Martin Short and Steve Martin. Joe says you're 'off base' maybe he knows, I don't, and I must be too. I only post comments from my own experiences, not from books I read (oodles of 'em). As I wrote about my own experience of handling full battens and troubles had, I was thinking what if any twist for subtle gain or loss there was? I cannot accurately say, but my own personal opinion is this, I liked the full battend mains, all two of 'em, but at the end of the day, more trouble than they were worth.I was always fixing sumpthin associated with them, mind you I went through some awfull gales and three or four times got into a real STORM, and even though all is tied & nailed, the wind & sea battering against things take their toll. The comments on lying to a sea-anchor are for the groups education, sounds like Bob Gainer is the single one with any real experience, and so many 'advisers' on so many subjects they know little about. one fellow I know, was in the middle of the "Queens Birthday Storm" 1/2 way from N.Z. to Tonga, used an old car tire he had aboard with one inch warping line to good effect to hold his bow to the waves; optimum here is said to be fifty (50) degress off the direct line of the wave. Even with confused sea you can figure this out. My ego is not on the line one way or the other, and few, perhaps a half dozen, know my real name for very good reason. Speaking of that, one of 'em, pretty experienced too, asked about 'small-stuff' this is small line (like `1/4" nylon or even hemp) that is used to "mouse" or lock down a large line on a cleat, a one time use and temporary tactic that is tried and true. Lock it down with small stuff and it will not slip or slack off.
 

CalebD

.
Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
I will admit to being "off base" if I only knew

what base I was way off of. Better check my GPS or better yet the sextant I don't own yet. I am only writing from my own subjective experiences with an old full batten main sail and reporting what a sail maker suggested to us. BTW, he did suggest the 2 full battens at the top and regular battens for the rest of the leach as well. I guess this a popular configuration for newly made main sails - a little from column A and some from column B - a hybrid batten main as has been suggested by Dale and Joe. To further answer Dale's question the sail slugs on our FB main are the same ones that are used for regular batten sails (I believe). Each batten is attached to a sail slug at the luff with sail tie material and sewn up tightly. I know this because I had to re-sew one this past year. My guess is that this is a fairly low-tech approach but it is effective (and repairable). We happen to like using the Dutchman sail flaking system with this sail although many prefer Lazy Jacks (search the archives for some heated discussions on this debate). I am not sure if the flaking issue is a big deal on a Catalina 22 or how you flake your main sail when not in use now. I find that the Dutchman system makes it easier to throw a reef into the main by holding the unused sail foot in place. I would think that given the conditions you describe on Henderson Bay that having 2 or maybe even 3 reef points would be a must have on any new main sail you get no matter what batten configuration or flaking system you choose. As previously suggested: talk to a sail maker in your area and then you can shop around. That is my $.02 which you can spend somewhere 'way off base'!
 

CalebD

.
Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
I will admit to being "off base" if I only knew

what base I was way off of. Better check my GPS or better yet the sextant I don't own yet. I am only writing from my own subjective experiences with an old full batten main sail and reporting what a sail maker suggested to us. BTW, he did suggest the 2 full battens at the top and regular battens for the rest of the leach as well. I guess this a popular configuration for newly made main sails - a little from column A and some from column B - a hybrid batten main as has been suggested by Dale and Joe. To further answer Dale's question the sail slugs on our FB main are the same ones that are used for regular batten sails (I believe). Each batten is attached to a sail slug at the luff with sail tie material and sewn up tightly. I know this because I had to re-sew one this past year. My guess is that this is a fairly low-tech approach but it is effective (and repairable). We happen to like using the Dutchman sail flaking system with this sail although many prefer Lazy Jacks (search the archives for some heated discussions on this debate). I am not sure if the flaking issue is a big deal on a Catalina 22 or how you flake your main sail when not in use now. I find that the Dutchman system makes it easier to throw a reef into the main by holding the unused sail foot in place. I would think that given the conditions you describe on Henderson Bay that having 2 or maybe even 3 reef points would be a must have on any new main sail you get no matter what batten configuration or flaking system you choose. As previously suggested: talk to a sail maker in your area and then you can shop around. That is my $.02 which you can spend somewhere 'way off base'!
 

CalebD

.
Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
I will admit to being "off base" if I only knew

what base I was way off of. Better check my GPS or better yet the sextant I don't own yet. I am only writing from my own subjective experiences with an old full batten main sail and reporting what a sail maker suggested to us. BTW, he did suggest the 2 full battens at the top and regular battens for the rest of the leach as well. I guess this a popular configuration for newly made main sails - a little from column A and some from column B - a hybrid batten main as has been suggested by Dale and Joe. To further answer Dale's question the sail slugs on our FB main are the same ones that are used for regular batten sails (I believe). Each batten is attached to a sail slug at the luff with sail tie material and sewn up tightly. I know this because I had to re-sew one this past year. My guess is that this is a fairly low-tech approach but it is effective (and repairable). We happen to like using the Dutchman sail flaking system with this sail although many prefer Lazy Jacks (search the archives for some heated discussions on this debate). I am not sure if the flaking issue is a big deal on a Catalina 22 or how you flake your main sail when not in use now. I find that the Dutchman system makes it easier to throw a reef into the main by holding the unused sail foot in place. I would think that given the conditions you describe on Henderson Bay that having 2 or maybe even 3 reef points would be a must have on any new main sail you get no matter what batten configuration or flaking system you choose. As previously suggested: talk to a sail maker in your area and then you can shop around. That is my $.02 which you can spend somewhere 'way off base'!
 

CalebD

.
Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
I will admit to being "off base" if I only knew

what base I was way off of. Better check my GPS or better yet the sextant I don't own yet. I am only writing from my own subjective experiences with an old full batten main sail and reporting what a sail maker suggested to us. BTW, he did suggest the 2 full battens at the top and regular battens for the rest of the leach as well. I guess this a popular configuration for newly made main sails - a little from column A and some from column B - a hybrid batten main as has been suggested by Dale and Joe. To further answer Dale's question the sail slugs on our FB main are the same ones that are used for regular batten sails (I believe). Each batten is attached to a sail slug at the luff with sail tie material and sewn up tightly. I know this because I had to re-sew one this past year. My guess is that this is a fairly low-tech approach but it is effective (and repairable). We happen to like using the Dutchman sail flaking system with this sail although many prefer Lazy Jacks (search the archives for some heated discussions on this debate). I am not sure if the flaking issue is a big deal on a Catalina 22 or how you flake your main sail when not in use now. I find that the Dutchman system makes it easier to throw a reef into the main by holding the unused sail foot in place. I would think that given the conditions you describe on Henderson Bay that having 2 or maybe even 3 reef points would be a must have on any new main sail you get no matter what batten configuration or flaking system you choose. As previously suggested: talk to a sail maker in your area and then you can shop around. That is my $.02 which you can spend somewhere 'way off base'!
 
May 20, 2007
91
Catalina 22 Henderson NY
Two reef points

CaiebD, we have two reef points in the main now. We use both of them a few times each summer. When we bought the boat the main had only one, and I had a sail maker add the second. It has proven to have been a good idea. With any new main it will have two for sure. Thanks for your reply Dale
 
May 20, 2007
91
Catalina 22 Henderson NY
Two reef points

CaiebD, we have two reef points in the main now. We use both of them a few times each summer. When we bought the boat the main had only one, and I had a sail maker add the second. It has proven to have been a good idea. With any new main it will have two for sure. Thanks for your reply Dale
 
May 20, 2007
91
Catalina 22 Henderson NY
Two reef points

CaiebD, we have two reef points in the main now. We use both of them a few times each summer. When we bought the boat the main had only one, and I had a sail maker add the second. It has proven to have been a good idea. With any new main it will have two for sure. Thanks for your reply Dale
 
May 20, 2007
91
Catalina 22 Henderson NY
Two reef points

CaiebD, we have two reef points in the main now. We use both of them a few times each summer. When we bought the boat the main had only one, and I had a sail maker add the second. It has proven to have been a good idea. With any new main it will have two for sure. Thanks for your reply Dale
 
Jun 4, 2004
273
Oday 25 Alameda
Twist w/full battens

I have a 4 full batten main w/slugs. Twists fine. Don't see any problem with the outhaul, but what do I know. A little harder to raise if not pointing straight into the wind.
 
Jun 4, 2004
273
Oday 25 Alameda
Twist w/full battens

I have a 4 full batten main w/slugs. Twists fine. Don't see any problem with the outhaul, but what do I know. A little harder to raise if not pointing straight into the wind.
 
Jun 4, 2004
273
Oday 25 Alameda
Twist w/full battens

I have a 4 full batten main w/slugs. Twists fine. Don't see any problem with the outhaul, but what do I know. A little harder to raise if not pointing straight into the wind.
 
Jun 4, 2004
273
Oday 25 Alameda
Twist w/full battens

I have a 4 full batten main w/slugs. Twists fine. Don't see any problem with the outhaul, but what do I know. A little harder to raise if not pointing straight into the wind.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.