Fuel tanks:

Apr 2, 2013
283
I looked at Beta on their web site and no prices? I guess I need to call them and talk turkey. I think Steve has these Beta’s , but shipping might be worth a Buick. LarrySent from Windows MailFrom: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎11‎, ‎2014 ‎5‎:‎07‎ ‎AMTo: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]
 









My cousin & I replaced my old volvo penta with a betamarine 14 which fit well into the engine space.  We also installed a new shaft & a 2 blade folding prop.  the vega moves well, but we don\'t push it, we may get 6 knots, but I\'m not in much of a rush when I\'m on the water, as the longer I\'m on the water, generally the happier I am...from myphone nn
 
Apr 2, 2013
283
Looks like I opened a can of worms …lol. Well guys, I wasn’t thinking of planning the boat, I was worried if I get into a place where things are going bad, I could pull myself out of trouble. The Columbia river (The Columbia Bar) is a nasty place to get in and out of, my thoughts were if I got into trouble I could pull myself on out? This was the only reason I was thinking a little more poop. Okay Chuck, in one of your videos in Hawaii, you showed us a poor guy on the rocks with his sail boat. If I remember, it was an out board and didn’t you mention he didn’t have enough power to pull away from the rocks? Okay Chuck, if I misunderstood this video …I am going for new glasses and hearing aids…lol. Larry Sent from Windows MailFrom: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎10‎, ‎2014 ‎11‎:‎52‎ ‎PMTo: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]
 









The Vega is a displacement hull. After it reaches hull speed all you end up doing is wasting fuel while you try to climb the bow wave. Hull speed is a bit less than 6.75 knots.
 
Apr 2, 2013
283
So guys, am I thinking right here buy installing my new tanks mid-ship, on the floor and close to the keel? They will be about a 16” wide, four feet long about 6” high in the front (facing the keel and to an 1” facing the outside of the hull. they are wedge shaped, I am building them to fit. I am also putting the 8 gallon tank which I got from Ric Maxfield back in the keel. I have to do the numbers, but just guessing I think I might be 24 total gallons with all tanks? Give or take 10 gallons…lol.Larry Sent from Windows MailFrom: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎11‎, ‎2014 ‎7‎:‎56‎ ‎PMTo: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]
 












 Vega has a couple of things going for her He length to width is
31/2 to 1 that increases her hull speed some. With out to much more
power she can make six knots  and will sail 61/2 though its above
hull speed. She has a straight run in her bottom amidships which
makes her faster than some might think in light air.  Her average
speed sailing is pretty fast.  I am always amazed at the distances I
can run in a day. I guess the biggest thing a bigger engine will do
is let you drive into waves when running against the wind because
the engine can push even when the bow is buried some.  We ran in the
waterway canals to windward and motoring using Genoa making a huge
difference in hull speed we manage 71/2 knots for a short time but
backed the engine off in respect for her old age then running about
six knots in comfort with Jenny rolled up some to keep from heeling
to much.  I have a couple of low g beach chairs which I set on top
the cockpit seats so just running on the engine lets you rest a
couple days setting up there with the tiller tucked under one arm.
Very comfortable  when you need to motor a couple days at a time.  

--
Doug Pollard
Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225
KK4YGO


  On 06/11/2014 08:54 PM, Brian Stannard brianstannard@...
[AlbinVega] wrote:
 
Feb 13, 2010
528
NO Way Bent.
--
Doug Pollard
Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225
KK4YGO




On 06/12/2014 03:24 AM, Brian Stannard
brianstannard@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
 
Feb 13, 2010
528
I went to a hull speed site and yes the hull speed of 1.34 is for a
light deep v hull and for a heavy deep v hull hull speed is 1.1
constant. I don;t think Vega is either one maybe medium weight I
would guess interperlating maybe 1,26. IF you look more closely
these figures are for a 3 to1 length to width ratio Vegas hull is
more like 3.5 to 1 of course it's all only theoretical numbers. I
have watch the water line on my boat whensailing down wind and
around 5 to 5 1/2 knots the water line begins to get higher above
the water amidships which indicates the bow wave is getting a little
higher and so is the stern wave so the middle of the boat is now in
a noticeable trough. Anyway I always figure I am above the hull
speed at 6 knots. I don't guess any of this matters much as far as
what size engine is concerned My VOlvo is supposed to be run at less
than full throttle maybe 1800 rpms verses full throttle at 2100 so
most likely she is only really putting out about 8 horse power. A
modern engine can be run closer to full speed so a 14 horse bata
like delivers pretty close to 14 horsepower.
--
Doug Pollard
Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225
KK4YGO
On 06/12/2014 03:24 AM, Brian Stannard
brianstannard@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
 
Oct 30, 2019
119
Hull speed is one thing. Pushing against a ferocious wind is another. What pushes my Vega wouldn't push a 26' Columbia at the same speed for example, due to how much boat is above the waterline. Found this out on the Napa River against a strong current and a LOT of wind. He couldn't get out.
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
Larry,It's good to open a can of worms now and then ... it stirs us lazy guys up enough to get the Forum busy again :-}Peter
 
Jan 28, 2001
694
 There is so darned much knowledge on this site! Guess it just shows that sailors are smart people. As compared to power boaters that is. When Judy was working for West Marine she liked to ask the power boaters what kind of anchor they had? Many of them replied that they didn't have an anchor because they didn't anchor. So she then asked if they had a parking brake? They looked at her like she was crazy, parking brakes on a boat! Then she asked them if they didn't have an anchor and they didn't have brakes how where they going to stop if the were out of fuel or had a breakdown and the tide was taking them out to sea. Most of them bought anchors. Back to the tank thing. My 2GM20 weighs a lot less than the old engine. I was able to put a Tempo (now Moellor) 12 gallon tank under the cockpit sole. It's out of the way and frees up everything else for storage.Other considerations as to hull speed that have to be considered are weight on board and prop pitch.                                                                                                Walt, Lyric To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:27:31 -0700Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Fuel tanks:


 



Hull speed is one thing. Pushing against a ferocious wind is another. What pushes my Vega wouldn't push a 26' Columbia at the same speed for example, due to how much boat is above the waterline. Found this out on the Napa River against a strong current and a LOT of wind. He couldn't get out.
 
Feb 13, 2010
528
Sorry about that Brent. That was the beginning of a post making a
point. I must have hit send when I got interrupted. The next post I
made was to the argument I intended to make. It was referring to
hull speeds.
--
Doug Pollard
Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225
KK4YGO




On 06/12/2014 11:48 PM, Brian Stannard
brianstannard@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
 
Sep 24, 2008
346
DougI'm not sure what site you were at but it is wrong. 1.1 may apply to an overladen square barge but not a boat. A heavy displacement boat like a Colin Archer design has a hull speed of 1.34. Any true displacement boat would be the same. The Vega is a lot lighter for its waterline than say a Westsail 32 - 19,500 lbs disp on a waterline of 27.5 ft. It's hull speed is 1.34. There are some boats that can break the barrier that are not planing boats with wide sterns but the heaviest boat can achieve 1.34. Beyond that it is all uphill and with enough power it is possible but not logical. After you can reach hull speed with a bit of reserve any extra power is both a waste of money and fuel.
What engine do you have with such a low max rpm of 2100?
 
Jan 28, 2001
694
Peter, Do you recall any differences on the seawater cooling lines between these engines? I'm having a very difficult time getting new hoses for my 2Gm20F. I was told when I installed it that the engine was 18HP at the crankshaft but 14HP at the prop shaft. I know that Yanmar switched from making them in Japan to making them in Germany. I was also told that to be sure that I specified its origin when I ordered impellors as they were different. Now I wonder if the hoses are also different? For what its worth the data plate on the block says:2GM20FCont. Rating 11.8 Kw 3400rpmMax. Output 13.4 Kw 3600rpm23727 (serial number)Looking at on line images of 2GM20F's show what looks like my hoses but the parts diagram sent from the dealer shows different hoses. This is getting frustrating. I'm afraid to leave the dock because one of the hoses has a crack where it attaches to the heat exchanger. Not in an area that would be easily repaired if it lets go. Any thoughts on this from anyone would be very helpful. Walt From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:23:02 -0700Subject: [AlbinVega] Re: Prop Choice






I've found the best prop choice (apart from breaking the bank for a folding or self-feathering prop) is a three-blade Campbell Sailer.It has good thrust and relatively little drag ... kinda like dragging a bucket with a hole in the bottom :) ... and the support from the maker is outstanding.As far as power, my Vega had a 13hp Yanmar 2GMF and Campbell Sailer three-blade 13RH9 prop and would do 4 knots at a fast idle, 6.5 knots flat out, and was never any problem in strong winds or currents. My Ballad has the same engine, but a later 16hp version, also with three-blade Campbell Sailer 14RH7 prop and has more than enough power for these PNW waters.When you look at the blades on these props they are so skinny you wonder how they would generate thrust, but they do, and do it well.Peter
 
Apr 2, 2013
283
Peter,Where do you live, you stated PNW waters? LarrySent from Windows MailFrom: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]Sent: ?Saturday?, ?June? ?14?, ?2014 ?7?:?12? ?PMTo: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]






Peter, Do you recall any differences on the seawater cooling lines between these engines? I'm having a very difficult time getting new hoses for my 2Gm20F. I was told when I installed it that the engine was 18HP at the crankshaft but 14HP at the prop shaft. I know that Yanmar switched from making them in Japan to making them in Germany. I was also told that to be sure that I specified its origin when I ordered impellors as they were different. Now I wonder if the hoses are also different? For what its worth the data plate on the block says:2GM20FCont. Rating 11.8 Kw 3400rpmMax. Output 13.4 Kw 3600rpm23727 (serial number)Looking at on line images of 2GM20F's show what looks like my hoses but the parts diagram sent from the dealer shows different hoses. This is getting frustrating. I'm afraid to leave the dock because one of the hoses has a crack where it attaches to the heat exchanger. Not in an area that would be easily repaired if it lets go. Any thoughts on this from anyone would be very helpful. Walt From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:23:02 -0700Subject: [AlbinVega] Re: Prop Choice






I've found the best prop choice (apart from breaking the bank for a folding or self-feathering prop) is a three-blade Campbell Sailer.It has good thrust and relatively little drag ... kinda like dragging a bucket with a hole in the bottom :) ... and the support from the maker is outstanding.As far as power, my Vega had a 13hp Yanmar 2GMF and Campbell Sailer three-blade 13RH9 prop and would do 4 knots at a fast idle, 6.5 knots flat out, and was never any problem in strong winds or currents. My Ballad has the same engine, but a later 16hp version, also with three-blade Campbell Sailer 14RH7 prop and has more than enough power for these PNW waters.When you look at the blades on these props they are so skinny you wonder how they would generate thrust, but they do, and do it well.Peter
 
Jan 28, 2001
694
Larry, Where is your boat? Walt From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 02:24:27 +0000Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Re: Prop Choice







Peter,Where do you live, you stated PNW waters? LarrySent from Windows MailFrom: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]Sent: ?Saturday?, ?June? ?14?, ?2014 ?7?:?12? ?PMTo: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]






Peter, Do you recall any differences on the seawater cooling lines between these engines? I'm having a very difficult time getting new hoses for my 2Gm20F. I was told when I installed it that the engine was 18HP at the crankshaft but 14HP at the prop shaft. I know that Yanmar switched from making them in Japan to making them in Germany. I was also told that to be sure that I specified its origin when I ordered impellors as they were different. Now I wonder if the hoses are also different? For what its worth the data plate on the block says:2GM20FCont. Rating 11.8 Kw 3400rpmMax. Output 13.4 Kw 3600rpm23727 (serial number)Looking at on line images of 2GM20F's show what looks like my hoses but the parts diagram sent from the dealer shows different hoses. This is getting frustrating. I'm afraid to leave the dock because one of the hoses has a crack where it attaches to the heat exchanger. Not in an area that would be easily repaired if it lets go. Any thoughts on this from anyone would be very helpful. Walt From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:23:02 -0700Subject: [AlbinVega] Re: Prop Choice






I've found the best prop choice (apart from breaking the bank for a folding or self-feathering prop) is a three-blade Campbell Sailer.It has good thrust and relatively little drag ... kinda like dragging a bucket with a hole in the bottom :) ... and the support from the maker is outstanding.As far as power, my Vega had a 13hp Yanmar 2GMF and Campbell Sailer three-blade 13RH9 prop and would do 4 knots at a fast idle, 6.5 knots flat out, and was never any problem in strong winds or currents. My Ballad has the same engine, but a later 16hp version, also with three-blade Campbell Sailer 14RH7 prop and has more than enough power for these PNW waters.When you look at the blades on these props they are so skinny you wonder how they would generate thrust, but they do, and do it well.Peter
 

n4lbl

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Oct 7, 2008
307
Walt:

I've no idea of how this happened, but apparently the yahoo.com yahoos
misattributed your e-mail to me. I hope neither of us are offended.

Alan

On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 8:24 PM, lewills30@... [AlbinVega]
AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
Apr 2, 2013
283
I am in Oregon, about 65 miles from Newport.Sent from Windows MailFrom: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]Sent: ?Saturday?, ?June? ?14?, ?2014 ?8?:?11? ?PMTo: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]






Larry, Where is your boat? Walt From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 02:24:27 +0000Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Re: Prop Choice







Peter,Where do you live, you stated PNW waters? LarrySent from Windows MailFrom: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]Sent: ?Saturday?, ?June? ?14?, ?2014 ?7?:?12? ?PMTo: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]






Peter, Do you recall any differences on the seawater cooling lines between these engines? I'm having a very difficult time getting new hoses for my 2Gm20F. I was told when I installed it that the engine was 18HP at the crankshaft but 14HP at the prop shaft. I know that Yanmar switched from making them in Japan to making them in Germany. I was also told that to be sure that I specified its origin when I ordered impellors as they were different. Now I wonder if the hoses are also different? For what its worth the data plate on the block says:2GM20FCont. Rating 11.8 Kw 3400rpmMax. Output 13.4 Kw 3600rpm23727 (serial number)Looking at on line images of 2GM20F's show what looks like my hoses but the parts diagram sent from the dealer shows different hoses. This is getting frustrating. I'm afraid to leave the dock because one of the hoses has a crack where it attaches to the heat exchanger. Not in an area that would be easily repaired if it lets go. Any thoughts on this from anyone would be very helpful. Walt From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:23:02 -0700Subject: [AlbinVega] Re: Prop Choice






I've found the best prop choice (apart from breaking the bank for a folding or self-feathering prop) is a three-blade Campbell Sailer.It has good thrust and relatively little drag ... kinda like dragging a bucket with a hole in the bottom :) ... and the support from the maker is outstanding.As far as power, my Vega had a 13hp Yanmar 2GMF and Campbell Sailer three-blade 13RH9 prop and would do 4 knots at a fast idle, 6.5 knots flat out, and was never any problem in strong winds or currents. My Ballad has the same engine, but a later 16hp version, also with three-blade Campbell Sailer 14RH7 prop and has more than enough power for these PNW waters.When you look at the blades on these props they are so skinny you wonder how they would generate thrust, but they do, and do it well.Peter
 
Sep 24, 2008
346
WaltYou should be able to use hardwall exhaust hose (blue stripe) of the correct size for any water hoses. There is no reason to order Yanmar hoses.
 
Jan 28, 2001
694
Brian, It makes several shallow S turns followed by a hard right at the heat exchanger. How bendable is this hose?Larry, Is your boat in Tillamook? Lyric is in Brookings. Walt To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 01:16:08 -0700Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Re: Prop Choice






WaltYou should be able to use hardwall exhaust hose (blue stripe) of the correct size for any water hoses. There is no reason to order Yanmar hoses.