Fuel polishing

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Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
Although I use my boat a lot, my Yanmar 2GM20F typically only burns about 12-15 gals per season. For a variety of reasons, I tend to keep the fuel tank pretty full of fuel that I have filtered (West Marine water/dirt separting filter) a number of times and have added a bit of stablizer and biocide to. I typically store the boat on the hard over the winter with nearly a full tank. I have had no fuel-related engine problems at all, to date. A friend of mine, who has a Pearson with the same engine, and uses about the same fuel procedures that I use, was recently told by his marina service department that he should have his "fuel polished and his tank cleaned regularly." What has been your experience with fuel polishing? Is it worth it? What does it tend cost at various locations?
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Reasons for fuel polishing .....

Diesel fuel has a relatively short 'shelf life', typicaly 6 months at summer temps and about 1 year in colder temps. Diesel degrades in the following manner- the lighter fractions volitize out through the vent and the remaining fuel begins to essentially polymerize... dropping the heavy weight alkenes, waxes, tars, etc. to the bottom and onto the tank walls. The alkenes begin as very small 'particles' which become the nucleation sites for larger 'particles' to grow ... many of these particles are 'soft / deformable' and easily pass though fine filter material (by extrustion). These soft particles dont burn very well in the combustion chamber, will pass through and will adhere to the downstream exhaust passages in the form of thick 'coke' deposits. Eventually all this 'particulation' becomes a sludge adhering to the walls, etc. So, essentially old fuel will begin to 'drop-out' the heavy polymerizing materials, tars, etc. .... and a lot of this will simply stick to the walls - ready to be knocked loose during heavy weather .... to plug and overwhelm filter material, etc. This decomposition process is accelerated by contact with copper, etc. .... all cheap boat fuel systems are made from soft copper tube !!!!! The key symptom of degraded fuel is 'cloudiness' --- put some of the tank oil in a clean glass, hold it in front of strong white light ... if its 'cloudy' it has begun to 'go to the dark side'. Polishing wont remove the particles from the tank walls, only mechanical scrubbing, etc. will loosen the accumulated crud. In a refinery, etc. storage tanks are usually cleaned every ~5 years to remove the crud from the inside surfaces. On a boat, simply open the inspection port, get in there with a long handled stiff brush, knock all the crap to the bottom, soak up with paper towels, etc. and then simply burn the rags, etc. Polishing will lengthen the shelf life .... as it continually removes the fine particles which grow into larger particles. Recircualtion polishing is a "high speed" / low pressure filtration at comparatively large retention values (uM) in the filter. The 'secret' of polishing is "high turnover" in which the fuel is passed through the large retention value filters continually / many many times. For a boat you can very quickly reduce the particle distribution in the tank to essentially submicronic levels by 'turning over' the fuel through a 15uM filter many times. A ~15uM filter has little resistance to flow (in comparison to a 2 uM) so the recirc. pump will push a LOT of fuel. A 15uM filter will have retention sites (but to a low % efficiency) much smaller than the 15uM .... say 5, 1, 0,5uM but at low capture efficiency. Since a high speed recirculation constantly puts the same fluid though the filter many many times the capture efficiency ultimately increases by 'statistics' and since the fuel gets 'turned over' quickly the residual 'background' of particles in the tank ***rapidly*** (exponentially) decreases. I recirc filter at 15-20uM to keep my tank particle levels at essentially 'submicronic' levels (vastly beter than 'crystal clear'). 15-20uM filters are a lot cheaper than smaller ( 1, 2 5uM) filter retentions. An on-board polishing recirculation system is VERY fast to recover if tank wall scum does break loose, reduces the challenge load of particles to the fuel line filters, etc. For my personal systems I only put onboard the amount of fuel I *need* plus some reserve. If possible I never buy my fuel from a marina where the fuel sits forever before its get pumped into my tank - only from 'high turnover' depots such as those that sell fuel to the 'watermen' or commercial folks or simply buy it at a truckstop and carry it in. I NEVER let the tank sit full as I use a vapor trap (desiccant adsorbant filter) on the vent line to prevent any moisture uptake - I have a valve on the vent which I close when Im not on the boat (my humongous black iron tank is 'somewhat' vacuum rated - yours probably isnt). For long lay-ups (over winter, etc.) I siphon out all the old fuel and take it home to burn in my oil burner. My recirculation polishing filter set is hard wired to my engine control panel ... when the engine is ON, so is the polisher. ...... and after all that I still have to clean out my tank about every 4-5 years. I dont have to change primary - secondary filters at the worst possible time and I only change those about every 3-4 years (and I get my filters free of charge) as I closely monitor their performance with pressure gages. I also have a ~3 gallon day tank that gets constantly 'turned-over' so in the event that all hell breaks loose (broken diaphragm on a lift pump, plugged filters, etc.) I simply open the bottom of the day tank that feeds 3 gallons of fuel to the engine by gravity .... at WOT that gives me ~4 hours to 'think and sort out' the needed remedy. All my line filters are 'pressure feed' (12v electric pump AT the tank) as pressure filtration is vastly more efficient than in vacuum feed mode ... but I have stainless fuel lines with double flared connections .... not the cheapy compression fittings that are used on soft copper tube and that **always** leak and suck air. BTW - when I do buy from a marina or other questionable fuel source, I first pump a small bit into a clear glass bottle, let the air bubbles gravitate upwards / clear, then hold it up to strong light .... If the fuel is cloudy or has a haze .... I stop, close up, and simply move on to the next fuel source. I dont have 'fuel problems'. Hope this helps.
 
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droopy

You can tell if you need it

if your getting a lot of water and alge in your water seporator then you need eit.
 
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tom

Wow!!! Rich

You seem a bit compulsive on fuel issues. But I like your concept of not carrying around tens of gallons of fuel waiting for it to get old. Your apparent knowledge of fuel I wonder what you think about mixing in some kersoene to rejuvenate old diesel. Kersoene is routinely used in the winter to keep diesel from gelling at low temperatures. Fortunately I get to sail all winter here in Alabama so over winter storage is not a problem But it would seem logical that if you use 15 gallons a season that you would add about that much to your tank in the spring and then when you haul out in the fall pump out any in the tank so that it is stored dry. You could even keep the old fuel in a couple of jerry cans and then filter it well before putting it back in the tank. I personally believe all of these fuel problems are caused by old fuel either bought that way or aged in-situ. As for condensation it would seem like water would condense on the metal vent before it enters the tank. Most water probably is purchased in the fuel or leaks into the tank because of a bad O ring on the filler cap.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Tom .....

I think there is a common misconception about how water gets into fuel. If the common 'analogy' is correct, then empty tanks would soon and always fill with water and thats not the case. Water gets into fuel because fuel is 'cracked' / processed at very high temperatures and the finished product is essentially totallly dehydrated. Nature loves 'equilibirum'. Put dehydrated fuel in the proximity of humid air .... and the 'dryness' of the fuel will be the driving force for the moisture to mix with fuel. Same thing for all materials: sand, sugar, salt, etc.: if it starts out dry and is exposed to water vapor that water vapor will equilibrate into the material until some 'equilibrium' is reached. OK the temperature diffenences of the fluid and air will change the equilibrium conditions but the main driving force still remains the dehydrataed state of the new fuel ... and the water vapor 'hungry' to equilibrate there. Kerosene is used to dilute down and put back into solution the waxes, etc. that form and drop out when the fuel gets cold. Adding Kerosene (a more stable product) isnt going to much put the alkenes, tars, etc. back into solution. It may work with waxes, but not much help with the other 'particles'. Sorry for the passion, but Im a multi-field scientist who is very deeply involved in such issues .
 
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Paul

Rich

Can I assume the same process is at work in gasoline? How do products like "StaBil" work?
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Stabilizers ......

Gasoline degrades in parallel ways but doesnt usually form the 'agglomerating particulates' as readily as does diesel and other light oils. When those particulates do form they usually stay in a 'liquid' state. The chief culprits in gasoline are soluable gums and varnishes and the formation of acids, etc. In gasoline, such stabilizers retard the oxidation process. BTW they are essentially the SAME products used to stabilize mayonaise, and other edible oils, etc. (polysorbate-80 etc.) Stabilizers are VERY good to use, especially if you are long term storing. They are especially useful for use with those carburators that have laser cut (teeny) jets (the ones that cant be removed!). BTW - stabilizers increase the combustion efficiency of most fuels ... so they generally give an extra 'kick' to the fuel. For gasoline - Staybil, etc. ..... GOOD stuff. (But I havent had much actual practice with the ethanolated fuels . :)
 
Dec 12, 2005
128
Hunter 34 Lowestoft
Tank Condensation

I have found that water does condense into the fuel tanks at quite a rate. I think its due to the fuel vapour being expelled from the tank when the weather is warm then at night when everything cools down moist air is pulled into the tank. As the temperature cools further condensatioj forms on the inside of the tank. This water the runs down to the bottom of the tank as its denser than deisel. If any organic matter gets into the tank aswell then bacteria starts to grow and can block filters etc. I now use a fuel additive to absorb the water into the fuel but if you're only using 15 gals per year in an area where the temperature fluctuates a lot you may well need to get the fuel cleaned.
 
Mar 1, 2005
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Hunter 34 North East, MD
Rich...

very fine disertation on the make-up of diesel fuel and filtration! I posted pictures of a fuel polisher I built earlier this year to clean up the contents of my tank until I could empty it, install an access port, and give it a thorough cleaning as you pointed out. The polisher is a commercial gear pump with a 15 GPM rating. It's pulling fuel through a 10 mic water separating spin-on canister filter, also commercially available. I ran 15 gallons through the polishing system last month (and found that I didn't empty the tank and my per-hour use factor was on the high side!), out into jugs and then back into the tank. The polishing allowed me to run from North East to Georgetown and back two weekends ago without a fuel problem, but I did note the vacuum on the Racor rose into the yellow but no further (Racor is a 2 mic 24S). From what you said, I gather that there is a benefit to periodically polishing the fuel, even with a clean tank. An on-board system may be a good solution. What pump are you currently using to pressurize your system? From what source was it obtained? At what cost?
 
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Sanders LaMont

Buyer Beware, or, do it yourself

Clean fuel leads to a happy engine, according to my mechanic, and I sure agree it is important to check fuel quality periodically, particularly if you use the engine very little and the fuel and/or boat sits for long periods. I personally think the idea suggested earlier in this forum that you clean it yourself has great merit, particularly given the poor experience I had when I paid a premium price for "Professional Polishing" and "tank cleaning" in San Diego turned out to be a sloppy job which left me dead in the middle of the channel one windless day after a rough passage (which stirred up the goop in the bottom of the tank). A do-it-yourself polishing device is easy to make (check the archives) and amounts to a decent filter system and a pump. I share one with a dock mate. Cleaning an old tank is another chore, but can be done. If your tank is easy to remove, it probably would be practical to haul it to a nearby yard for a good steam cleaning. Again, a description is somewhere in the archives. If you decide to pay to have it done, make sure you check out the person doing the work first. Finally, remember spare filters. Lotsa spare filters if you are going offshore or into rough weather. Fair winds....
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Dan-

Be careful of the gear pump as this is a constant displacement pump and no matter what, its going to deliver that volume even if the filters get blocked, etc. .... consider to put pressure relief device in the discharge line (between the pump and the filter) so that if the filters, etc. become blocked that you leave an 'escape route' for all that pressure if the flow becomes blocked.... gear pumps dont 'stall' or slip, they keep on a-pushing. With a recirc. polishing system there is no need to transfer to a separate tank. Just suck out from the very bottom of the tank and discharge back to the top (of the same tank). The continued 'turnover' of oil again and again and again and again through the same polishing filter will do the job faster and more efficiently than if you do such a transfer into a separate tank. As the filter gets 'dirtier' the retention will become finer and finer (using dirt to trap more dirt, etc.) ... in a recirc. system you run the filters until they are essentially plugged or the flow rate through them noticeably drops. With a constant displacment gear pump 10uM is good. With a pump that 'slips', larger retention rated filters is better. To repeat, with 'recirculation' filtration the more times you can pass the liquid through the same filter, the faster the cleanup and the lower the 'resident' average size particles will be left in the tank. I use a Walbro Mod. No. 6802, 12 v. @ ~3 GPM . Fuel Transfer pump with integral suction screen; approx $150. My pump source 'was' Belgoes Filtration near Baltimore ... I think they are now out of business. @ 3 GPM my (full) 100 gal tank totally 'turns over' every ~70 minutes. A 2uM Racor is a bit overkill on a small diesel as the probable 'most damaging' (hard) particle is probably in the range of about 15-20uM. A 2 uM will put a lot of strain on the lift pump and may break the lift pump diaphragm sooner than later. Suggest that next time you put on the LARGEST physical sized Racor cannister that will fit .... by increasing the surface area of the filter you will reduce the operational 'differential pressure' across the filter. In a "single pass filter" such as installed in a fuel delivery system, If you double the surface area of a filter, usually you get about 2.5 to 3 times the service life. However, if you regularly recirc. polish, then there will be hardly any challenge to the 2uM - as all the 'crud' gets trapped in the recirc. filter ... and not in the more expensive Racor. :)
 
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Pat

Warren

Lots of technical advice here from some intelligent folks. I seek advice from them regularly. I bought a boat last November that was on the hard for a summer. By the time I launched her the diesel fuel was over 1.5 years old but was stored with a full tank and with a preservative. I wondered too what to do. I decided to go with my survey's advice on changing the filters and going ahead with using the old fuel. I burned off a half tank and added new fuel since with no problems. I am almost finished with the season here in Chicago. I think just doing the regular maintainence should get you through. I just change the water separator and fuel filter per recommendations. I change the filter every season and the water separator every 2 or 3 seasons. I never had a problem in 9 years of sailing. Our boats are always stored at least 6 months here in the midwest. I always fill er up prior to storage and add preservatives. I try to make sure ai use up at least a full tank every year. It is probably good to use your engine at least that much anyway. Just my thoughts.
 

tcbro

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Jun 3, 2004
375
Hunter 33.5 Middle River, MD
Thanks, Rich

Rich, Thanks for all you input on this subject. I found it very helpful. What's the name of your boat? What would you think about getting the northern bay regulars on this board (Ross, Bill Roos, etc.) together at the same anchorage for a weekend? Tom s/v Orion's Child
 
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Tom

An Once of Prevention is Worth a Pound of Cure

It may be the location or the fact that my boat stays in the water but in over three years of ownership my fuel tank has been full only a couple of times. I fill it up when going on a two week vacation....if I expect to be motoring a lot. The rest of the time it has averaged 1/4 tank. "NO WATER" I've only found maybe a teaspoon in the separator in all that time. I did have to change filters once after buying bad fuel. Most of the problems seem to be from "old Fuel" this comes about by keeping a full tank and using only a little fuel. With gasoline condensation can be a problem as gasoline's vapor pressure is much higher than diesel. Also since water is much less soluble in gasoline any water may get trapped below the gasoline. But with diesel the water can find it's way back out of the tank when the tank is warmer and the air is dry. Say the diesel has a 5% moisture content. This 5% can evaporate back into the air. One last thing might explain my dry tank. My tank is metal right behind the engine and it might be getting warmed and the warmth is driving off some of the water. Here is a thought for boats with wet tanks. "Put a small Heater to warm the fuel" The warm fuel will drive off moisture and may lead to a drier tank. Of course you would want to do this safely!!!! Another idea would be to add a length of metal tubing to your vent. Make this tube run vertically so that any condensation will drip down and out allowing only dry air to enter the tank. Since the tank has a lot of thermal mass it will cool off more slowly than the metal tube so that the tube should be much cooler when the air inside the tank cools and contracts. Of course here in the south the water is usually warmer than the air on cool nights and this keeps the boat (fuel tank) relatively warm. at night.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
"Aquila"

Aquila is a beige Tayana 37. I sail her 'hard', and even race this 'tub' in PHRF occasionally. My slip is at Green Point Landing, just inside of Worton Creek. In mid-Summer I sail mostly at night. We've probably passed one another. I have a huge asymmetrical with a large appliqued bald eagle across it.
 
Mar 1, 2005
220
Hunter 34 North East, MD
Thanks for the advice...

Rich. The pump has a built-in pressure relief already. It only runs a short time to fill a 5 gallon jug, and was restricted initially by the size of the hose feeding into the filter. I used a piece of 3/8" OD PVC pipe to reach down through the deck fill to the tank bottom and inexpensive vinyl hose between it and the filter for the initial test. Between the filter mount and the pump is 3/4 metal piping. Am increasing the diameter of the tube and going to B2 rated hose for the next go-round. Have several dock neighbors interested using it and want to be safe in doing so. I picked up on recirculating being more beneficial in that it continues to clean for the duration of the cycle and may run the polisher's return back down into the tank instead of the jugs the next time. Right now I just need to remove the fuel so I can extract the tank from the boat and take it home for a clean-out. The PO was an ex Air Force pilot and a bit anal about cleanliness of fuel, hence the 2 mic Racor. Once the tank is cleaned out I may keep it until the next change, then switch to a 10 mic as suggested. I pass through Worton Creek at least 3 or 4 times a year, staying at WCM. Next year it might be good get-together spot for those of us on the Northern Bay to shake hands and have a cool one in getting acquainted.
 
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