Frozen Combi :( Help!

Feb 19, 2010
80
Hi everyone,

Iâve got problems with my volvo md6a combi, and I need your help.

I motored out into the bay this weekend, and after hoisting the main and turning off the engine I then feathered the prop. Later when we went to start the motor to return after sailing, I couldnât get the prop to unfeather. I mean that the lever in the cockpit wouldnât budge from the feathered prop position, and I couldnât get it to move even an inch, let alone move all the way to reverse, neutral, or forward.

I pulled up the engine cover and located the combi lever on the rear of the engine to which the cockpit lever is linked. I put a bar under it to try to get it to rotate forward to put the prop in reverse or neutral or forward. It wouldnât budge either.

I pulled the connecting pin that joins the cockpit leverâs linkage/rod to the combi lever on the rear of the engine to see if I could move the lever on the engine independently of the lever in he cockpit (incase the problem was due to a siezed pushrod or cable in the cockpit), but that did nothing to help.

It seems like the prop is stuck in feathered position and no reasonable amount of force on the cockpit lever or the lever on the rear of the engine is going to get it to bust loose.

So here are my thoughts on how to address this. Please tell me if you think I shouldnât do this.

I want to get a four foot long steel bar to attach to the combi lever on the rear of the engine with a few hose clamps. Thatâll give way more torque for trying to get the prop pitch to free up and return to neutral. I also would like to put a wood lever on each of the prop blades so that their pitch can be forced by hand directly.

Just trying to adjust the pitch from the prop alone probably wouldnât be good, and just trying to adjust the pitch from the combi unit on the back of the engine may not be enough.

I think that if I use a lever on each prop blade and push and pull on them to try to get the vari-prop out of feather position *while* someone is in the cockpit with a long lever directly attached to the combi lever on the rear of the engine, we could probably break it free again. Forcing the adjustment from both ends of the linkage might work.

My concern is that we could break something inside the prop or the combi unit on the rear of the engine with too much force.

As it is now the engine is useless, but I donât want to go breaking some delicate internal component. If we donât try to manually force the prop blades back to their proper position, then I donât know what else to do. Haul the boat and pull the engine to overhaul the combi and vari-prop?

The prop adjustment has been stiff for a while now, but this takes the cake. I wish Iâd worked the cockpit lever back and forth a bit before feathering the prop or hadnât bothered to feather the prop at all!!!

Any helpful input would be greatly appreciated. I want to fix this next weekend if possible.

Thanks,
Kristopher
 
Jun 6, 2007
132
Hummm, I'm no mechanic, but almost everything I can think of that begins with
"get a 4 foot long steel bar" ends badly.
Sheila________________________________
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To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 2:19:52 PM
Subject: [AlbinVega] Frozen Combi :( Help!


Hi everyone,

I’ve got problems with my volvo md6a combi, and I need your help.

I motored out into the bay this weekend, and after hoisting the main and turning
off the engine I then feathered the prop. Later when we went to start the motor
to return after sailing, I couldn’t get the prop to unfeather. I mean that
the lever in the cockpit wouldn’t budge from the feathered prop position, and
I couldn’t get it to move even an inch, let alone move all the way to reverse,
neutral, or forward.

I pulled up the engine cover and located the combi lever on the rear of the
engine to which the cockpit lever is linked. I put a bar under it to try to get
it to rotate forward to put the prop in reverse or neutral or forward. It
wouldn’t budge either.

I pulled the connecting pin that joins the cockpit lever’s linkage/rod to the
combi lever on the rear of the engine to see if I could move the lever on the
engine independently of the lever in he cockpit (incase the problem was due to a
siezed pushrod or cable in the cockpit), but that did nothing to help.

It seems like the prop is stuck in feathered position and no reasonable amount
of force on the cockpit lever or the lever on the rear of the engine is going to
get it to bust loose.

So here are my thoughts on how to address this. Please tell me if you think I
shouldn’t do this. I want to get a four foot long steel bar to attach to the combi lever on the
rear of the engine with a few hose clamps. That’ll give way more torque for
trying to get the prop pitch to free up and return to neutral. I also would
like to put a wood lever on each of the prop blades so that their pitch can be
forced by hand directly. Just trying to adjust the pitch from the prop alone probably wouldn’t be good,
and just trying to adjust the pitch from the combi unit on the back of the
engine may not be enough.

I think that if I use a lever on each prop blade and push and pull on them to
try to get the vari-prop out of feather position *while* someone is in the
cockpit with a long lever directly attached to the combi lever on the rear of
the engine, we could probably break it free again. Forcing the adjustment from
both ends of the linkage might work.

My concern is that we could break something inside the prop or the combi unit on
the rear of the engine with too much force. As it is now the engine is useless, but I don’t want to go breaking some
delicate internal component. If we don’t try to manually force the prop
blades back to their proper position, then I don’t know what else to do. Haul
the boat and pull the engine to overhaul the combi and vari-prop?

The prop adjustment has been stiff for a while now, but this takes the cake. I
wish I’d worked the cockpit lever back and forth a bit before feathering the
prop or hadn’t bothered to feather the prop at all!!!

Any helpful input would be greatly appreciated. I want to fix this next weekend
if possible.

Thanks,
Kristopher
 
Oct 31, 2019
562
Hi.:
Looks like the sleeve that operats the prop got loose. You can fasten the sleeve
in the water,
but it's easier to do this on the dry. Check the lever that operates the
prop-setting. If you
can move the lever, but the sleeve doesn't move, you've got to do something. The
sleeve is
held by two conical (washers). Good luck
Wilhelm

________________________________
From: Douglas Pollard dougpol1@...
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Frozen Combi :( Help!
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
Hi

I will second that, brute force doesnt cure everything. Dry out on a tide and take the back of the prop boss off and see if the blades and rack are ok, could be the rack is fractured!. The boss is held together with teh stainless bolts then 4 allen bolts (hex bolts).

Cheers

Steve B
 
Feb 19, 2010
80
Thanks all for your replies so far. I have been digesting the combi removal and re installation instructions from the files section of the group here and I have been reading the combi files over at VORM too.

I'd like to investigate the problem further and find specific things that I should check and look for.

A month ago we fouled the prop in a line. It wasn't too bad, but shifting the combi was *really* stiff after that for a while. It loosened up, but it's still been stiff shifting ever since.

Perhaps the prop unit was pulled aft a bit? I wonder if that would cause stiff shifting and possibly a locked condition like I am in now. I wonder if hammering on the end of the prop to try to shift it forward would help.

I've read that you don't want to get into the vari-prop if you don't have to because everything has to be lined up perfectly to work. Steve, you mention pulling the back of the prop boss off and checking inside. Could that cause anything inside to shift in such a way as to create more problems than I have now, or is just looking inside and then closing it up again just fine?

Unfortunately for me, we are on fresh water right now, so the only way to pull her out is by crane. No tides here.

Thanks for any specific suggestions.

Kristopher
 
Feb 19, 2010
80
Hi Wilhelm,

Thanks for your reply. The lever that operates the prop setting can not be moved. I have not grabbed the sleve with my hands to see if I can slide it back and forth manually. I will check that this weekend.

As I understand it the inner rod rotates the prop and the outer sleeve controls the prop pitch.

So it would make sense that the outer sleeve is what must be locked up right now.

Thanks,
Kristopher
 
Oct 31, 2019
230
There are a few simple things that could be wrong. You may have run out of teeth on the combi drum, or the on gear mechanism that controls the throttle inside the housing. You can try removing the latter first, and see if the big drum frees up. If not, remove the rear cover of the combi and follow the instructions for disassembly until you find the problem. No need to take boat out of the water to work on the control tube/combi. DO NOT USE FORCE. There are good instructions on the vega site for tearing down and rebuilding the combi. Steve used to be able to get most of the parts. Unless you ran the combi without greasing it for an extended period of time, it is probably a very simple problem. Trevor V2915





From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WL
Sent: July 19, 2010 10:28 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Frozen Combi :( Help!





Hi.:
Looks like the sleeve that operats the prop got loose. You can fasten the sleeve
in the water,
but it's easier to do this on the dry. Check the lever that operates the
prop-setting. If you
can move the lever, but the sleeve doesn't move, you've got to do something. The
sleeve is
held by two conical (washers). Good luck
Wilhelm

________________________________
From: Douglas Pollard dougpol1@... mailto:dougpol1%40verizon.net
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com mailto:AlbinVega%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Frozen Combi :( Help!
 
Feb 19, 2010
80
Thanks Trevor. I hope it is as you say, "a very simple problem"!!!

Ive got the dis assembly instructions and I'm ingesting them. Thanks for your words of encouragement. I appreciate any hope I can have at this point. I don't mind getting into the combi on the water, I just fear having to pull it out and needing to remove the prop and shaft.

Kristopher