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IanJ

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Nov 7, 2008
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Hunter 31 Port Royal, CA
:cussing:Heres one for you electric experts. I have a 1984 Hunter 31. I have two battery banks, with a pair of main batteries and a starter battery. The batteries are all Costco marine wet cell batteries, and are about two years old. My setup is as Maine Sail set up, with my main bank consisting of two batteries in series, hooked up to a True Charge 20 ( quite old) and a Blue Seas ACR link between banks. Everything worked really well, until on my last trip, I noticed the main bank was not holding any charge. On examination, the entire anode assembly of one of the batteries had eroded and broken off, as in the picture below. The second battery looks ok, but is dead.
Is my charger causing this? Cannot think of any other reason. How can I test that, or should I just replace with the batteries? I had a problem with hot batteries two years ago, which is why they all had to be replaced.
I was considering going solar (sail in S Cal). If I did that instead, is there any point buying a new charger?
 

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Feb 26, 2004
23,045
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Either the battery failed or your charger is wonky. Have you checked the output voltage of the charger? Do you leave the boat plugged in all the time when you're away from it?
 

IanJ

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Nov 7, 2008
152
Hunter 31 Port Royal, CA
Stu, yes I do leave it plugged in, as I havce a fridge running. I turned the charger on after disconnecting from the battery, and got no voltage on my meter. Should be a reading if working, right?
Just wondered about charger after batteries got so hot two years ago and fried
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,435
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
It appears from the picture that the terminals have been seriously neglected for a prolonged period. Lack of maintenance is the apparent cause as a poor connection increases resistance and increased resistance... Well, you know hat Ohms Law tells us.

Cooked batteries can occur from a number of causes but this one seems obvious.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Stu, yes I do leave it plugged in, as I havce a fridge running. I turned the charger on after disconnecting from the battery, and got no voltage on my meter. Should be a reading if working, right?
Just wondered about charger after batteries got so hot two years ago and fried
I think you have your answer...

While the terminals are corroded this is likely from over-charging & off gassing the batteries. This over-gassing likely boiled the batteries dry and lead to an internal short which then melted down the positive post.

Keep in mind that chargers don't and can't determine the difference between a battery load and a system load. This can force many small chargers to maintain an absorption voltage every time the fridge or DC system loads run. This is BAD.......

If leaving a fridge running you should ideally have a charger that will allow for a forced manual "float" setting or a custom program that will allow you to program for only a float voltage. When you leave the boat the charger should be in a float only mode to avoid issue like this. This type of failure can lead to a burned boat and potentially a marina fire..

The Sterling Pro-Charge Ultra or ProMariner Pro-Nautic P (same charger) are two chargers that allow a custom program to be created..
 

IanJ

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Nov 7, 2008
152
Hunter 31 Port Royal, CA
Thanks Maine Sail, I was hoping you were around. So as I am a battery moron I will replace my old charger with the Sterling Pro Charge Ultra as you suggest, and obviously get new batteries. I am presuming I just need the model with 10 amp and two outputs ?
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,045
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Ian, can you please let us know why you keep your fridge running when you're away from the boat?
 
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Nov 7, 2012
678
1978 Catalina 30 Wilbur-by-the-Sea
I agree about the charging items already mentioned. It is also a good idea to coat you electrical connections near the batteries with a thin layer of no-ox to prevent corrosion over time.
 

IanJ

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Nov 7, 2008
152
Hunter 31 Port Royal, CA
Stu, I am around the boat about two or three times a week, and like a cold beer after a bit of work. Are you suggesting it stays off, and I just turn it on the night before a trip? Isnt that much more wear on it rather than just leaving it ticking over?
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Ian, can you please let us know why you keep your fridge running when you're away form the boat?
Stu: I think I can answer that!

Cold drinks and assorted items (mayo, mustard, ketsup etc) that we do not want to haul back and forth every time we go to the boat.

If we took this stuff home every week we would have 52 open jars of who know what! ;)

We have not turned ours off in 6 years!
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Thanks Maine Sail, I was hoping you were around. So as I am a battery moron I will replace my old charger with the Sterling Pro Charge Ultra as you suggest, and obviously get new batteries. I am presuming I just need the model with 10 amp and two outputs ?
No. With DC loads running you will likely want 30A or larger at a minimum. Remember the charger is working as a power supply and a battery charger. Ideally it should be 10% of your battery capacity in Ah's plus taking into account the DC loads you leave on while off the boat.

So, a 100Ah battery would get a 10A charger but if your fridge draws 5A you would then you'll want at least a 15A. If you also leave a fan or other DC loads on you'll need to account for them too.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,045
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Stu, I am around the boat about two or three times a week, and like a cold beer after a bit of work. Are you suggesting it stays off, and I just turn it on the night before a trip? Isnt that much more wear on it rather than just leaving it ticking over?
Steve answered it one way, which is quite logical. We have a C34 skipper who has his office 200 yards away from where his boat is docked, so he, like Steve, is on the boat, checking things out, on an even more than "regular" basis.

If all you want is a cold beer after work (and I've heard that often), then stop at a 7-11 on the way there. Two benefits: 1) you'll always have a cold beer; 2) you'll build up your beer reserves on the boat!:)

Seriously though, your corroded terminal is a PERFECT example about how a boat can kill itself if you remain plugged in when you're not there "for a good reason." I personally don't call having a cold one a good reason.

What would I call a good reason? Making sure your bank is completely topped off. And even after a daysail with a fridge running you've taken maybe 30-60ah out of a reasonably sized house bank. That takes more than the hour you might spend plugged in when you come back and tidy things up, it takes overnight to get back to 100%. I charge up and then disconnect.

This is NOT an either-or, my-way-or-the-highway thing.

It's a boat management issue. FWIW, many of us have been having this discussion for decades.

Here's my approach:

Unless I'm going out the next day and think (for management reasons) I need to plug the boat in overnight to assure a full bank for the next day or two's cruise (I anchor out everytime I go out, got too tired of doing the mainsail cover twice a day on & off:)), I never leave the boat plugged in. Since I eat on the boat when anchored, I'm willing to lug the mayo (!!!:)) and have a ton of ketchup things from In & Out on board. :) I also have a squeeze bottle of (NOT French yellow) mustard on board in the pantry, not the fridge. Although I must admit it stays better here on The (cooler) Bay than it would on Steve's boat in The (much hotter) California Delta.

I just don't want to face what you have with your battery connection. My boat's worth more to me than a cold beer. BTW, I turn my fridge on when I get on the boat and in a half an hour or so, the two cold ones I put inside the evaporator get cold enough. I also spent a few days of our recent vacation in England and can drink a warmer one if need be! :):):) Don't get me started on "ice" in drinks in England, the glasses are so danged small it can't be called a drink! :) I also bring ice from home for drinks after the anchor is down for the first day of any cruise, our fridge makes ice in the vertical trays just fine overnight for anything longer.

The other thing is, as I understand it, you risk sulfating the batteries if they're kept on float forever.

Your boat, your choice. There is no "right" answer, but from this experience, I'm sure you've learned a lot, perhaps the hard way, but glad there was no other damage.

Running a boat fridge isn't like your fridge at home. Turning it off doesn't hurt it. Unless you leave it off forever. I had a friend with a Volvo station wagon years ago, who was so proud of never running his air conditioning. Then when he tried it it was a goner. The seals had dried out. It's a tad different on our boats. Our fridge is 26 years old, but it only has been "running" less than 5 of those years. It still works.

The last reason is that if the dock power goes out and you're gone for a few days, so are your batteries.

Good luck on the new charger, you'll be amazed at the improvement over one that seemed to have been busted, for whatever reason.

Oh, and hoist a cold one for us, glad we could help. :D

PS - Here's a loooong discussion about this very subject, from 10 years ago!!! :), if you're interested:

http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,973.0.html
 
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Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
:cussing: My setup is as Maine Sail set up, with my main bank consisting of two batteries in series, ?
i am wondering if you have 12v batteries or 2... 6 v batteries in series?

regards

woody
 
May 10, 2004
207
Beneteau 36 CC Sidney, BC, Canada
Woody I was about to ask the same question...... 2 6 volt in series or 2 12 volt in parallel ? 2 12 volt in series = yikes !
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,045
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Me, too, guys, but I took it either as a typo or he didn't say 2 6V. In any event, it works.
 
May 10, 2004
207
Beneteau 36 CC Sidney, BC, Canada
I connected my 12 volt Waeco to Waeco converter which was connected to shore power when I wanted to cool my fridge down at the dock.
 

Bob J.

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Apr 14, 2009
774
Sabre 28 NH
I was considering going solar (sail in S Cal). If I did that instead, is there any point buying a new charger?
That is a good question & in my mind it depends on how you use your boat. If you spend more time using it as a floating condo, battery charger, more time out on the hook, solar.

May be worth pricing up a properly sized solar install that meets your energy needs & compare it to the cost of a new battery charger.
 
Mar 6, 2008
1,340
Catalina 1999 C36 MKII #1787 Coyote Point Marina, CA.
Cold beer for ever - place bottles of beer in a net and hang them overboard and in the water.
 
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