Freezing Ballast in 23.5

Nov 28, 2010
16
Hunter 240 El Dorado
The temps have been cold here in Kansas this past week. Parts of the lake have frozen, including around my Hunter 23.5 slip about 3/4" thick. I checked the ballast today and there was a layer frozen in the ballast but I could break through it through the air hole. I put a heater in the cabin for tonight.

What damage could've occurred with ice just now forming on the lake and thin layer inside the ballast?
 
Jun 3, 2004
134
Hunter 23.5 Cape Cod, Ma.
If it freezes and the ice expands it will crack the ballast tank and your boat will probably cost you a lot of money to scrap. A cabin heater will do little to keep ice from forming in the ballast tank as it is below the waterline and surrounded by water below freezing temps. Get that boat out of the water.
 
Jun 25, 2012
942
hunter 356 Kemah,the Republic of Texas
Does your boat slip have 4 point tie up? In your neck of the woods...I would pump the ballast from Tank....And If not all of it at least half, This should allow for expansion of water in tank. Keeping your hull or tank from splitting open. Do you have a bubblier for your slip? Is your slip protected from ice flows? Lots of forces can be generate there. Its a trailerable boat so where is your trailer?
Back in the day when I sailed a Mac26 and even though down here in the Republic of Texas we get to sail nearly 12 months out of the year. I would put my Mac on the Trailor for at least 3 months with mast up when things got a little bit to nippy. Taking that time to touch up bottom paint and do other little projects . Now I have a H356 and I kind of miss that luxurious option of being able to both wet sail and or dry sail. And not have to work harder so as to earn the extra big bucks to keep a clean and freshly painted bottom.:cry:
 

Scott2

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Sep 26, 2008
58
Hunter 240 Hayward, WI
I bought an H23.5 that most likely had a frozen Ballast tank sometime prior to my ownership in it. It was previously a MN and IL boat. I wound up selling the boat for scrap after a few years of use because the ballast tank leaked water ever so slowly into the hull and subsequently froze and delaminating the hull. It was ugly...
 
Nov 28, 2010
16
Hunter 240 El Dorado
Thanks for the responses. I did take advise in emptying ballast as best I could. This could be a good case study on the topic. Much I've read is what you SHOULD do and what CAN happen. I put myself in a bad situation and have an actual positive outcome, I think. After nearly four days of temp highs at or around freezing, the lake began to freeze. I checked ballast on fourth day and I had about 1/2" freezing internally, matching similar to about 3/4" lake ice that had been formed. I didn't prepare but had a small Sunbeam area heater. I put it on full blast overnight inside cabin. I came back next day and that heater had heated up hull enough to melt ice all around boat by 3' as well as internal ballast. I proceeded today with rigging a 1" tube to end of my shop vac and pulling 200+ gallons of water from the tank, 6 gallons at a time. Worked well- just took some time. Now I'm ready for rest of lake to thaw so I can haul out but I'm hoping with the heater on in the cabin and a nearly empty ballast, I should be okay. Incidentally, as I pulled water from ballast I continued to check for water leaking through ballast drain. I felt no pressure building when plugging air hole and don't believe additional water is coming in through drain as some have hypothesized. One other note was that I never treated the ballast tank with any chlorine and found the water I extracted to be very clear and odor free.

Finally, while I need to see next spring if any real damage occurred, the water in the ballast did actually freeze similar to the lake, not really faster or slower or at majorly different depths. And, it seems clear that if the boat interior and hull is warmed by cabin heat, the ballast water cannot freeze. This is all actual real experience I just had.

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Hope this helps all future procrastinators. Again, would rather not resort to these measures but feel there is some solid backup emergency things one can do if in a bind.
 
Jun 8, 2004
10,532
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browndog;

I am the one responsible for the 23.5 being built. I know this boat better than most.
When the ambient air temp. remains very cold during the day to include the night of course well below freezing with the water outside starting to freeze over, then you should remove the boat altogether from the lake particualy if it is freezing inside the tank. You can add all the non toxic RV antifreeze to the water and even attempt to remove the water from the ballast tank; however, you need to remove the boat because even at half tank, water freezing inside will still do damage as I have seen that happen.

creazy dave
 
Nov 28, 2010
16
Hunter 240 El Dorado
Crazy Dave, thanks for info. But with heater heating ambient air in cabin, shouldn't I be okay until it warms enough to pull out? It currently is working.
 
Nov 28, 2010
16
Hunter 240 El Dorado
Checked ballast today. Ballast drain has allowed a small amount of water to seep into takes but largely still empty. You can see in pic boat bow is about 4" higher in water without ballast water.
 

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Jun 8, 2004
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Brwondog;

It is not so much the ambient temp inside the cabin but the ambient temp of the water outside affecting the water ballast which could be the issue with ice forming particulary inside the tank. In addition, water coming thru the seal can be an issue. I would still pull the boat to be on the safe side if that is a common problem all winter. In addition, I would be cautious on leaving a heater running inside the boat all the time as well.

I have spoken my peace sir and will leave the decision to you. Happy new Year and God Bless to all for next year.

crazy dave condon
 
Jun 5, 2004
37
Hunter 26.5 wichita, ks
Freezing ballast

Aren't you the same guy that chipped the ice in feb 5 yrs ago, to launch your 25.5? Let me know if you need help pulling your boat. John (your neighbor to the north)
 

DJN51

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Oct 26, 2009
377
Hunter 23.5 East Chicago In
If you drain ballast tank,be carefull moving boat as it will be very unstable with out ballast,could capsize with any side wind,remove sails ,boom,and anything else to bring weight down to hull.
 
Jul 8, 2004
4
Hunter 26 Oologah, OK
One thing that I have done with my H26 is to blow the ballast tank out with the exhaust from a shop vac. I'll open the fill/drain opening on the bottom of the boat and put the hose from the shop vac in the air bled opening and fill the tank with air. Once the bubbles start coming up around the boat I'll pull out the air hose and close the air bled opening and then close the fill/drain opening on the bottom of the boat.
 
Jun 8, 2004
10,532
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Two other things to mention. When you apply air pressure to the ballast tank, caution is worded very heavily as I have known of instances where the ballast tank seal was broken. In addition, I also know of ice that has surrounded 23.5's breaking the hull as they are not as thick as the larger boats. In both cases I did make repairs. Again, my suggestion to alll where there is ice is to pull the boat out of the water.

dave condon
 
Jun 8, 2004
10,532
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One other thing to mention. I had a discussion with one owner who wished to heed the advice of pulling the boat as he found his boat filled with water which was ice but still floated due to the foam flotation as the hull had been severely damaged by ice in the water.

dave condon