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[CalebD]

Hey Patrick, one more link

It is a good idea to setup some categories of storing links so you can easily find them (bookmark etc). You probably have this one already and it is pretty comprehensive but lacking in pictures and actual how-to kind stuff that Maine Sail recently posted. http://www.boatus.com/howto/howto_lib.htmThere are lots of short answers there that can be expanded upon by asking questions here. Do you have a garage or even a back yard? If so as Sam Lust indicated you can scavenge a few boards of 2 x 6 or 2 x 8 to make a stable platform to move your 'new' (not free perhaps but new) engine onto to work on near home. I know that an engine like that will weigh quite a bit (say 800# more or less) but nothing is impossible. The Egyptians did not build the pyramids in a day and a heavy engine could be moved in a pickup truck with a piece of plywood underneath it. The problem is really raising and lowering the engine vertically. If you have a slant or grade to go up or down then work with use it. Small pieces of wooden dowel could help to roll it up or down any slope. Use everything at your disposal.Above all enjoy.

 

[CalebD]

Hey Patrick, one more link

It is a good idea to setup some categories of storing links so you can easily find them (bookmark etc). You probably have this one already and it is pretty comprehensive but lacking in pictures and actual how-to kind stuff that Maine Sail recently posted. http://www.boatus.com/howto/howto_lib.htmThere are lots of short answers there that can be expanded upon by asking questions here. Do you have a garage or even a back yard? If so as Sam Lust indicated you can scavenge a few boards of 2 x 6 or 2 x 8 to make a stable platform to move your 'new' (not free perhaps but new) engine onto to work on near home. I know that an engine like that will weigh quite a bit (say 800# more or less) but nothing is impossible. The Egyptians did not build the pyramids in a day and a heavy engine could be moved in a pickup truck with a piece of plywood underneath it. The problem is really raising and lowering the engine vertically. If you have a slant or grade to go up or down then work with use it. Small pieces of wooden dowel could help to roll it up or down any slope. Use everything at your disposal.Above all enjoy.

 

[sailormanbigd]

more details about the engine

Now it seems the engine is a 30hp model. I feel funny about incorrect info. He does'nt even know what hp his sailboat motor is? It is around 1985 he thinks, no tranny, no alternator, and probably not complete brackets for one. There is a fair amount of peeling paint with surface rust. There is a shaft at the top that is for hand cranking the motor, but no handle. This shaft is connected to some small gear by chain-like bicycle chain, and that chain is pretty rusted and stiff. I do like that the waterpump impeller is in front and easy to get at as well as the oil filter. The motor is mounted on a sort of palet with wheels. I told him i would take it if it checks out with the mechanic. I tried to turn the lower pulley by hand but could'nt budge it. Probably not enough power in my grip or leaverage. If i was to have it rebuilt what would that cost roughly? the model no. we think is 3QM30(H). Thanks for the info.

 

[sailormanbigd]

more details about the engine

Now it seems the engine is a 30hp model. I feel funny about incorrect info. He does'nt even know what hp his sailboat motor is? It is around 1985 he thinks, no tranny, no alternator, and probably not complete brackets for one. There is a fair amount of peeling paint with surface rust. There is a shaft at the top that is for hand cranking the motor, but no handle. This shaft is connected to some small gear by chain-like bicycle chain, and that chain is pretty rusted and stiff. I do like that the waterpump impeller is in front and easy to get at as well as the oil filter. The motor is mounted on a sort of palet with wheels. I told him i would take it if it checks out with the mechanic. I tried to turn the lower pulley by hand but could'nt budge it. Probably not enough power in my grip or leaverage. If i was to have it rebuilt what would that cost roughly? the model no. we think is 3QM30(H). Thanks for the info.

 

[Tim R.]

Doesn't sound good

That chain you see is likely the timing chain that connects to the cam. There should be a cover over that area because there are oil passages to allow lubrication of that chain. There should also be a decompression lever on the head that once released would allow you to easily turn that crank. If not, then it is probably seized($$$). From your description, I would pass on this one. Not worth the money to pay for a mechanical survey. A tranny alone will be over $1500 and those you buy new not used.It is usually cheaper to buy new than rebuild unless you are experienced in doing this yourself and have the proper tools.This engine is in the same condition as your boat. He should be giving it to you to take it off his hands.Tim R.

 

[Tim R.]

Doesn't sound good

That chain you see is likely the timing chain that connects to the cam. There should be a cover over that area because there are oil passages to allow lubrication of that chain. There should also be a decompression lever on the head that once released would allow you to easily turn that crank. If not, then it is probably seized($$$). From your description, I would pass on this one. Not worth the money to pay for a mechanical survey. A tranny alone will be over $1500 and those you buy new not used.It is usually cheaper to buy new than rebuild unless you are experienced in doing this yourself and have the proper tools.This engine is in the same condition as your boat. He should be giving it to you to take it off his hands.Tim R.

 

[David]

QM 30

The chain you have described is for the crank manual start and does not rotate once the engine is running.I have had two QM series Yanmars and they were strong and trouble free but after reading your description of this engine I would be very cautious.

 

[David]

QM 30

The chain you have described is for the crank manual start and does not rotate once the engine is running.I have had two QM series Yanmars and they were strong and trouble free but after reading your description of this engine I would be very cautious.

 

[sailortonyb Allied Mis]

Bargain Hunting.

I hate to sound like the Prophet of Doom' but I think its time for a reality check. You got a free boat that is worth less than zero because most consider it a liability. That horse has been beaten to death on here. Now you are looking for an engine at a 'bargain of the century' price. I think its time you consider a factory rebuild or a new engine. Most people rebuild from a bare hull because of the price but also to install new components. If you rebuild using junk parts, when you are finished, you still have a junk heap of dubious quality and little known reliability. You wont end up with "at least you know what you have". I think its nice to have words of encouragement here, it helps get one through the 'lows' of life. Most , not all, of the encouragement comes from people with boats of approx. 25 Ft or with O/B motors. I have "rebuilt" a few older boats, but $1500 to $1800 is all you need for a brand new motor. Also, small sails are cheap and easy to find second hand. You are in for a long term expensive ride. If you want to cruise some day, the price of your fittings will be 3 to 10 times more. If you dont have much money now, work on the bulkheads and other inexpensive projects.If someone wants $500 for an engine that is worth $7,000, then they would have asked $7,000. They asked $500 because thats all its worth and possibly less. An engine should be on the bottom of your priority list since you already have an O/B to use for day sailing and getting in and out of harbor. It may be 3 years before you need that engine.IMHOTony B

 

[sailortonyb Allied Mis]

Bargain Hunting.

I hate to sound like the Prophet of Doom' but I think its time for a reality check. You got a free boat that is worth less than zero because most consider it a liability. That horse has been beaten to death on here. Now you are looking for an engine at a 'bargain of the century' price. I think its time you consider a factory rebuild or a new engine. Most people rebuild from a bare hull because of the price but also to install new components. If you rebuild using junk parts, when you are finished, you still have a junk heap of dubious quality and little known reliability. You wont end up with "at least you know what you have". I think its nice to have words of encouragement here, it helps get one through the 'lows' of life. Most , not all, of the encouragement comes from people with boats of approx. 25 Ft or with O/B motors. I have "rebuilt" a few older boats, but $1500 to $1800 is all you need for a brand new motor. Also, small sails are cheap and easy to find second hand. You are in for a long term expensive ride. If you want to cruise some day, the price of your fittings will be 3 to 10 times more. If you dont have much money now, work on the bulkheads and other inexpensive projects.If someone wants $500 for an engine that is worth $7,000, then they would have asked $7,000. They asked $500 because thats all its worth and possibly less. An engine should be on the bottom of your priority list since you already have an O/B to use for day sailing and getting in and out of harbor. It may be 3 years before you need that engine.IMHOTony B

 

[higgs]

check out this past month's Sail magagzine

SailormanThere is a fairly detailed article about someone restoring an old Ericson 34. It made me think of you as I read. One thing, the article does well in pointing out is how there will be unexpected problems as you dig in.

 

[higgs]

check out this past month's Sail magagzine

SailormanThere is a fairly detailed article about someone restoring an old Ericson 34. It made me think of you as I read. One thing, the article does well in pointing out is how there will be unexpected problems as you dig in.

 

[CalebD]

This engine may not be the one ...

Marine diesel engines aint cheap. One of the cheapest I found on Ebay was for $1600 (Yanmar 30HP) that needed a ring job in on of the cylindars and was located in Annapolis, MD. This got me thinking; why have to pay for shipping? there must be marine engines all over FL sitting in hurricane damaged boats? I checked craigslist.org to the south of you and found this listing: http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/boa/528867040.htmlYou might want to take a look at this boat for the hell of it and talk to the owners about which diesel they were planning on putting in it to replace the Atomic 4. This boat has no mast but your boat does. I wonder if your rig could be put on their boat and if the Atomic 4 can be made to work? The obvious problem with this idea is that then (assuming you could get the Pearson 33' for a song) you would have 2 boats (but perhaps 1 complete boat).I wuz gonna mention the Atomic 4 as an alternative to a diesel but I did not want to start this thread down that fiery and combustible path as so many of you (rightfully) despise the idea of a gasoline engine on a cruising sailboat. However, an engine is an engine. My Atomic 4 is 41 years old and still kicking and I get great advice and parts for it from here (decent Q/A forum also): http://www.moyermarine.com/Ok, so maybe the above idea is a bit of a crazy plan and you should concentrate on fixing up your Morgan and wait until the next hurricane that would provide you with more salvage opportunities. This engine you looked at might not be the 'one' but there are a lot of them out there if you know where to look.As always, good luck.

 

[CalebD]

This engine may not be the one ...

Marine diesel engines aint cheap. One of the cheapest I found on Ebay was for $1600 (Yanmar 30HP) that needed a ring job in on of the cylindars and was located in Annapolis, MD. This got me thinking; why have to pay for shipping? there must be marine engines all over FL sitting in hurricane damaged boats? I checked craigslist.org to the south of you and found this listing: http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/boa/528867040.htmlYou might want to take a look at this boat for the hell of it and talk to the owners about which diesel they were planning on putting in it to replace the Atomic 4. This boat has no mast but your boat does. I wonder if your rig could be put on their boat and if the Atomic 4 can be made to work? The obvious problem with this idea is that then (assuming you could get the Pearson 33' for a song) you would have 2 boats (but perhaps 1 complete boat).I wuz gonna mention the Atomic 4 as an alternative to a diesel but I did not want to start this thread down that fiery and combustible path as so many of you (rightfully) despise the idea of a gasoline engine on a cruising sailboat. However, an engine is an engine. My Atomic 4 is 41 years old and still kicking and I get great advice and parts for it from here (decent Q/A forum also): http://www.moyermarine.com/Ok, so maybe the above idea is a bit of a crazy plan and you should concentrate on fixing up your Morgan and wait until the next hurricane that would provide you with more salvage opportunities. This engine you looked at might not be the 'one' but there are a lot of them out there if you know where to look.As always, good luck.

 

[letterman]

2 c ents

Reefers use 50hp or less diesels. You could contact a trucking company and ask them if they have one or know of one, or know of a company that gets rid of them.Used cars. VW diesels are the same as used in boats...48 hp. Isuzu, Chevette, etc.I surfed the net, they are all over the place. Mercedes had an older model with a 48 hp diesel.I bet there yours isn't bad enough you can't rebuild it. By the way, if you are goig to get rid of it, why not tear it down and take the head in it to your local auto parts store and ask them what they think? I bet it could be rebuilt cheaper than buying new, or used.

 

[letterman]

2 c ents

Reefers use 50hp or less diesels. You could contact a trucking company and ask them if they have one or know of one, or know of a company that gets rid of them.Used cars. VW diesels are the same as used in boats...48 hp. Isuzu, Chevette, etc.I surfed the net, they are all over the place. Mercedes had an older model with a 48 hp diesel.I bet there yours isn't bad enough you can't rebuild it. By the way, if you are goig to get rid of it, why not tear it down and take the head in it to your local auto parts store and ask them what they think? I bet it could be rebuilt cheaper than buying new, or used.

 

[Brian M H23]

lol

The boat was on stands and "gently laid down as storm passed through"Is this a new boatyard tactic for preventing storm damage???

 

[Brian M H23]

lol

The boat was on stands and "gently laid down as storm passed through"Is this a new boatyard tactic for preventing storm damage???

 

[sailormanbigd]

Calebd, thanks but......

oh man, thanks for the idea of getting a bashed up hurricaine boat, but...if you read the add the seller says $1500 owed for storage, and only serious offers please. The guy wants a min of 1500. they were gonna replace the a4 with diesel-means it is hurt-before the storm. The draft is only 6" more than the morgan but that is six inches too much. No mention of the head room? Most boats dopn't have the headroom of the morgan oi series. I already have my hands full with what i got-will it sink and the epa be on my butt $$$$, will it break loose and do someone elses boat/dock/property damage? I don't have yard fees, dock fees, or even have to pay for electric for the fan, light, charger. She is not rich, but she is my best friend and won't take money from me. I took her to lunch the otherday and she almost would'nt let me pick up the tab. I can't afford any more exspensses than what i have right now. Lots of good advice on this site. I know the outboard will push the monster, but it looks qwfully funny on the back (not that looks are of too much concern) Kindof like pulling a schoolbus with a volkswagon! I am pretty sure that i will be using it this summer though. Just too much to do to worry to much about the diesel. I don't plan on rebuilding the boat with junk, or inferior materials-including the engine. But lets get real...there is alot of boat stuff out there, good stuff with years of life left in it. I am currently working on getting a free head from someone up north for the price of shipping-say 20-30$ I already have a small holding tank and the vent tube, etc. Now some people would'nt even think about a used head-you never know who's used it before you! But, i would. I would'nt think of spending $1200 for a new head sstem like someone else on here has stated. I just don't have the money, and its an old boat. If it works, and won't fail in the too near future/why not? Most of my attention is going to be rebuilding the interior to solid/clean/seaworthy condition. The rest is just fluff for now. I will have working sails-patched and not pretty, but working. Solid hull with roo to throw a dance party down below, and a couple of decent berths for spending the night. As the years roll by i will no doubt purchase and repurchase many new and used items for the morgan. Just don't have big money right now. If the engine runs then what? If i get a year or two i will be ahead, because i will have already removed one and installed one, ran one...... Thanks all, Patrick

 

[sailormanbigd]

Calebd, thanks but......

oh man, thanks for the idea of getting a bashed up hurricaine boat, but...if you read the add the seller says $1500 owed for storage, and only serious offers please. The guy wants a min of 1500. they were gonna replace the a4 with diesel-means it is hurt-before the storm. The draft is only 6" more than the morgan but that is six inches too much. No mention of the head room? Most boats dopn't have the headroom of the morgan oi series. I already have my hands full with what i got-will it sink and the epa be on my butt $$$$, will it break loose and do someone elses boat/dock/property damage? I don't have yard fees, dock fees, or even have to pay for electric for the fan, light, charger. She is not rich, but she is my best friend and won't take money from me. I took her to lunch the otherday and she almost would'nt let me pick up the tab. I can't afford any more exspensses than what i have right now. Lots of good advice on this site. I know the outboard will push the monster, but it looks qwfully funny on the back (not that looks are of too much concern) Kindof like pulling a schoolbus with a volkswagon! I am pretty sure that i will be using it this summer though. Just too much to do to worry to much about the diesel. I don't plan on rebuilding the boat with junk, or inferior materials-including the engine. But lets get real...there is alot of boat stuff out there, good stuff with years of life left in it. I am currently working on getting a free head from someone up north for the price of shipping-say 20-30$ I already have a small holding tank and the vent tube, etc. Now some people would'nt even think about a used head-you never know who's used it before you! But, i would. I would'nt think of spending $1200 for a new head sstem like someone else on here has stated. I just don't have the money, and its an old boat. If it works, and won't fail in the too near future/why not? Most of my attention is going to be rebuilding the interior to solid/clean/seaworthy condition. The rest is just fluff for now. I will have working sails-patched and not pretty, but working. Solid hull with roo to throw a dance party down below, and a couple of decent berths for spending the night. As the years roll by i will no doubt purchase and repurchase many new and used items for the morgan. Just don't have big money right now. If the engine runs then what? If i get a year or two i will be ahead, because i will have already removed one and installed one, ran one...... Thanks all, Patrick