- Jul 24, 2006
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FREE BOAT, ACT ONE, SCENE THREE
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- Jul 24, 2006
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Keep at it!
Hey Patrick, I am really enjoying following this thread! And obviously so are a lot of others. I am presently involved in a similar project a bit smaller but still plenty of work. Just keep your sights on your vision of the finished project and you'll get there. You may get off track now and then - that's where Ross list making is important - prioritize. I found my self backtracking because I felt compelled to put the interior together before I went to work on the soft decks - good bit of wasted time. Oh well. Anyway even though I haven't offered a whole lot of advice you certainly have my support! Please keep us posted as the saga continues. Jim
Hey Patrick, I am really enjoying following this thread! And obviously so are a lot of others. I am presently involved in a similar project a bit smaller but still plenty of work. Just keep your sights on your vision of the finished project and you'll get there. You may get off track now and then - that's where Ross list making is important - prioritize. I found my self backtracking because I felt compelled to put the interior together before I went to work on the soft decks - good bit of wasted time. Oh well. Anyway even though I haven't offered a whole lot of advice you certainly have my support! Please keep us posted as the saga continues. Jim
Keep at it!
Hey Patrick, I am really enjoying following this thread! And obviously so are a lot of others. I am presently involved in a similar project a bit smaller but still plenty of work. Just keep your sights on your vision of the finished project and you'll get there. You may get off track now and then - that's where Ross list making is important - prioritize. I found my self backtracking because I felt compelled to put the interior together before I went to work on the soft decks - good bit of wasted time. Oh well. Anyway even though I haven't offered a whole lot of advice you certainly have my support! Please keep us posted as the saga continues. Jim
Hey Patrick, I am really enjoying following this thread! And obviously so are a lot of others. I am presently involved in a similar project a bit smaller but still plenty of work. Just keep your sights on your vision of the finished project and you'll get there. You may get off track now and then - that's where Ross list making is important - prioritize. I found my self backtracking because I felt compelled to put the interior together before I went to work on the soft decks - good bit of wasted time. Oh well. Anyway even though I haven't offered a whole lot of advice you certainly have my support! Please keep us posted as the saga continues. Jim
Keep at it!
Hey Patrick, I am really enjoying following this thread! And obviously so are a lot of others. I am presently involved in a similar project a bit smaller but still plenty of work. Just keep your sights on your vision of the finished project and you'll get there. You may get off track now and then - that's where Ross list making is important - prioritize. I found my self backtracking because I felt compelled to put the interior together before I went to work on the soft decks - good bit of wasted time. Oh well. Anyway even though I haven't offered a whole lot of advice you certainly have my support! Please keep us posted as the saga continues. Jim
Hey Patrick, I am really enjoying following this thread! And obviously so are a lot of others. I am presently involved in a similar project a bit smaller but still plenty of work. Just keep your sights on your vision of the finished project and you'll get there. You may get off track now and then - that's where Ross list making is important - prioritize. I found my self backtracking because I felt compelled to put the interior together before I went to work on the soft decks - good bit of wasted time. Oh well. Anyway even though I haven't offered a whole lot of advice you certainly have my support! Please keep us posted as the saga continues. Jim
Keep at it!
Hey Patrick, I am really enjoying following this thread! And obviously so are a lot of others. I am presently involved in a similar project a bit smaller but still plenty of work. Just keep your sights on your vision of the finished project and you'll get there. You may get off track now and then - that's where Ross list making is important - prioritize. I found my self backtracking because I felt compelled to put the interior together before I went to work on the soft decks - good bit of wasted time. Oh well. Anyway even though I haven't offered a whole lot of advice you certainly have my support! Please keep us posted as the saga continues. Jim
Hey Patrick, I am really enjoying following this thread! And obviously so are a lot of others. I am presently involved in a similar project a bit smaller but still plenty of work. Just keep your sights on your vision of the finished project and you'll get there. You may get off track now and then - that's where Ross list making is important - prioritize. I found my self backtracking because I felt compelled to put the interior together before I went to work on the soft decks - good bit of wasted time. Oh well. Anyway even though I haven't offered a whole lot of advice you certainly have my support! Please keep us posted as the saga continues. Jim
Md Jim, post-it notes are one of the ways I
make lists of the thousand jobs that rebuilding requires. Every project is a series of little jobs. Once you can start defining those little parts and pieces of work and listing each one on a separate note then you can put the notes in a sequential order. An example would be a 6 light wooden window sash with loose putty, peeling paint and a single broken pane. The sequence would be, remove the broken glass. order new piece of glass. scrape all of the loose paint . remove all of the loose putty . sand carefully . replace the pane and set the points. putty all of the panes. prime paint putty side. prime paint inside. top coat with exterior semi-gloss enamel putty side 1st coat . 2nd coat putty side. Top coat inside with semi-gloss interior enamel,1st coat . 2nd coat inside. allow drying time and install sash. That is the detail that I put into my lists for any project. That allows me to accurately estimate the time I need to to the job and how much I charge for my time.
make lists of the thousand jobs that rebuilding requires. Every project is a series of little jobs. Once you can start defining those little parts and pieces of work and listing each one on a separate note then you can put the notes in a sequential order. An example would be a 6 light wooden window sash with loose putty, peeling paint and a single broken pane. The sequence would be, remove the broken glass. order new piece of glass. scrape all of the loose paint . remove all of the loose putty . sand carefully . replace the pane and set the points. putty all of the panes. prime paint putty side. prime paint inside. top coat with exterior semi-gloss enamel putty side 1st coat . 2nd coat putty side. Top coat inside with semi-gloss interior enamel,1st coat . 2nd coat inside. allow drying time and install sash. That is the detail that I put into my lists for any project. That allows me to accurately estimate the time I need to to the job and how much I charge for my time.
Md Jim, post-it notes are one of the ways I
make lists of the thousand jobs that rebuilding requires. Every project is a series of little jobs. Once you can start defining those little parts and pieces of work and listing each one on a separate note then you can put the notes in a sequential order. An example would be a 6 light wooden window sash with loose putty, peeling paint and a single broken pane. The sequence would be, remove the broken glass. order new piece of glass. scrape all of the loose paint . remove all of the loose putty . sand carefully . replace the pane and set the points. putty all of the panes. prime paint putty side. prime paint inside. top coat with exterior semi-gloss enamel putty side 1st coat . 2nd coat putty side. Top coat inside with semi-gloss interior enamel,1st coat . 2nd coat inside. allow drying time and install sash. That is the detail that I put into my lists for any project. That allows me to accurately estimate the time I need to to the job and how much I charge for my time.
make lists of the thousand jobs that rebuilding requires. Every project is a series of little jobs. Once you can start defining those little parts and pieces of work and listing each one on a separate note then you can put the notes in a sequential order. An example would be a 6 light wooden window sash with loose putty, peeling paint and a single broken pane. The sequence would be, remove the broken glass. order new piece of glass. scrape all of the loose paint . remove all of the loose putty . sand carefully . replace the pane and set the points. putty all of the panes. prime paint putty side. prime paint inside. top coat with exterior semi-gloss enamel putty side 1st coat . 2nd coat putty side. Top coat inside with semi-gloss interior enamel,1st coat . 2nd coat inside. allow drying time and install sash. That is the detail that I put into my lists for any project. That allows me to accurately estimate the time I need to to the job and how much I charge for my time.
Md Jim, post-it notes are one of the ways I
make lists of the thousand jobs that rebuilding requires. Every project is a series of little jobs. Once you can start defining those little parts and pieces of work and listing each one on a separate note then you can put the notes in a sequential order. An example would be a 6 light wooden window sash with loose putty, peeling paint and a single broken pane. The sequence would be, remove the broken glass. order new piece of glass. scrape all of the loose paint . remove all of the loose putty . sand carefully . replace the pane and set the points. putty all of the panes. prime paint putty side. prime paint inside. top coat with exterior semi-gloss enamel putty side 1st coat . 2nd coat putty side. Top coat inside with semi-gloss interior enamel,1st coat . 2nd coat inside. allow drying time and install sash. That is the detail that I put into my lists for any project. That allows me to accurately estimate the time I need to to the job and how much I charge for my time.
make lists of the thousand jobs that rebuilding requires. Every project is a series of little jobs. Once you can start defining those little parts and pieces of work and listing each one on a separate note then you can put the notes in a sequential order. An example would be a 6 light wooden window sash with loose putty, peeling paint and a single broken pane. The sequence would be, remove the broken glass. order new piece of glass. scrape all of the loose paint . remove all of the loose putty . sand carefully . replace the pane and set the points. putty all of the panes. prime paint putty side. prime paint inside. top coat with exterior semi-gloss enamel putty side 1st coat . 2nd coat putty side. Top coat inside with semi-gloss interior enamel,1st coat . 2nd coat inside. allow drying time and install sash. That is the detail that I put into my lists for any project. That allows me to accurately estimate the time I need to to the job and how much I charge for my time.
Md Jim, post-it notes are one of the ways I
make lists of the thousand jobs that rebuilding requires. Every project is a series of little jobs. Once you can start defining those little parts and pieces of work and listing each one on a separate note then you can put the notes in a sequential order. An example would be a 6 light wooden window sash with loose putty, peeling paint and a single broken pane. The sequence would be, remove the broken glass. order new piece of glass. scrape all of the loose paint . remove all of the loose putty . sand carefully . replace the pane and set the points. putty all of the panes. prime paint putty side. prime paint inside. top coat with exterior semi-gloss enamel putty side 1st coat . 2nd coat putty side. Top coat inside with semi-gloss interior enamel,1st coat . 2nd coat inside. allow drying time and install sash. That is the detail that I put into my lists for any project. That allows me to accurately estimate the time I need to to the job and how much I charge for my time.
make lists of the thousand jobs that rebuilding requires. Every project is a series of little jobs. Once you can start defining those little parts and pieces of work and listing each one on a separate note then you can put the notes in a sequential order. An example would be a 6 light wooden window sash with loose putty, peeling paint and a single broken pane. The sequence would be, remove the broken glass. order new piece of glass. scrape all of the loose paint . remove all of the loose putty . sand carefully . replace the pane and set the points. putty all of the panes. prime paint putty side. prime paint inside. top coat with exterior semi-gloss enamel putty side 1st coat . 2nd coat putty side. Top coat inside with semi-gloss interior enamel,1st coat . 2nd coat inside. allow drying time and install sash. That is the detail that I put into my lists for any project. That allows me to accurately estimate the time I need to to the job and how much I charge for my time.
- Jul 24, 2006
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Started a list
I have started a list to help me organize and remember what i need to do. I spend all my free time going over it in my head. Lots of stuff rattling around in the crainium. I have light bulbs come on about important things i have overlooked, all the time. So I carry the list with me to write it down so i don't forget it. One thing is that because the transom is so high i will need to rig exstentions to the throttle/tiller arm on the outboard motor to adjust throttle speed as well as a device to shift it with. Also, will need a stick to push start button. Good thing its electric start! I will likely split the end of pvc pipe and use hose clamps to attache it to the throttle grip. Seen redneck fishing boats use this method. I have'nt been drowned or anything, just had to work. Get more stuff done for the departure today. I am going to meet with the owner to sign papres and get the stuff that goes with the boat on Monday. I figure to provision lightly. One case of bottled water, loaf of bread, jars of pb&j, oh, and a knife to spread it! There's lots of storage on the boat except it is all nasty and probably infectous! Have'nt really cleaned the boat, just the bilge so the the pumps won't plug up. Mostly i just removed all the water soaked junk and the rotten floor. Hey, was looking in a boat mag yesterday and notive a marine work yard in St pete that will haul, pressure wash, scrape and bottom paint for $22 a foot. That is only $726 for the 33 feet. Anyone heard of NOA marine services in St pete? Is that a good deal? Then i could replace the rudder post packing gland, and even remove the diesel, and maybe replace thru hulls? I don't have the money right now but they take "VISA". What do you think. What does it usually cost to haul a boat in a diy yard? And, its on the way home, but still a far distance from my house. Guess i will have to check around, do some calling, etc. Would be worth some money just for the piece of mind that the boat is not gonna sink at the dock, but i was going to hold of untill i goe more work done on the inside, then i coild haul and fix all the glass work on the hull and prep and paint. Patrick-so much in my head!!!!!!!!!
I have started a list to help me organize and remember what i need to do. I spend all my free time going over it in my head. Lots of stuff rattling around in the crainium. I have light bulbs come on about important things i have overlooked, all the time. So I carry the list with me to write it down so i don't forget it. One thing is that because the transom is so high i will need to rig exstentions to the throttle/tiller arm on the outboard motor to adjust throttle speed as well as a device to shift it with. Also, will need a stick to push start button. Good thing its electric start! I will likely split the end of pvc pipe and use hose clamps to attache it to the throttle grip. Seen redneck fishing boats use this method. I have'nt been drowned or anything, just had to work. Get more stuff done for the departure today. I am going to meet with the owner to sign papres and get the stuff that goes with the boat on Monday. I figure to provision lightly. One case of bottled water, loaf of bread, jars of pb&j, oh, and a knife to spread it! There's lots of storage on the boat except it is all nasty and probably infectous! Have'nt really cleaned the boat, just the bilge so the the pumps won't plug up. Mostly i just removed all the water soaked junk and the rotten floor. Hey, was looking in a boat mag yesterday and notive a marine work yard in St pete that will haul, pressure wash, scrape and bottom paint for $22 a foot. That is only $726 for the 33 feet. Anyone heard of NOA marine services in St pete? Is that a good deal? Then i could replace the rudder post packing gland, and even remove the diesel, and maybe replace thru hulls? I don't have the money right now but they take "VISA". What do you think. What does it usually cost to haul a boat in a diy yard? And, its on the way home, but still a far distance from my house. Guess i will have to check around, do some calling, etc. Would be worth some money just for the piece of mind that the boat is not gonna sink at the dock, but i was going to hold of untill i goe more work done on the inside, then i coild haul and fix all the glass work on the hull and prep and paint. Patrick-so much in my head!!!!!!!!!
Patrick, If you decide to have to boat hauled
for cleaning plan to do it just once close to home. You can rent a big pressure washer for a hundred bucks a day. So I think you should decide where you will put the boat for ALL of the work before you start moving it. The closer that you can have the boat to your home the less time you will spend driving and the more time you will have for work. Divide your list into jobs that will take less than one hour , less than a half day , a whole day and jobs that will take more than a day. In that way you can plan to use your time most effectively.
for cleaning plan to do it just once close to home. You can rent a big pressure washer for a hundred bucks a day. So I think you should decide where you will put the boat for ALL of the work before you start moving it. The closer that you can have the boat to your home the less time you will spend driving and the more time you will have for work. Divide your list into jobs that will take less than one hour , less than a half day , a whole day and jobs that will take more than a day. In that way you can plan to use your time most effectively.
bottom job
If you want to do a bottom job, go to noa marine in st. pete. south side of gandy bridge. They could do it before you take it north. a big problem to haul it in pinelas. all the yards that can handle sailboats are closing except in down town st. pete and noa. The noa yard is offering discounts untill christmas and they do good work. maybe a couple hundred more than doing it yourself. it would ease your trip north too. by the way. one of the exentsion cords on the boat belongs to the city. check with the dockmaster at marjorie park..
If you want to do a bottom job, go to noa marine in st. pete. south side of gandy bridge. They could do it before you take it north. a big problem to haul it in pinelas. all the yards that can handle sailboats are closing except in down town st. pete and noa. The noa yard is offering discounts untill christmas and they do good work. maybe a couple hundred more than doing it yourself. it would ease your trip north too. by the way. one of the exentsion cords on the boat belongs to the city. check with the dockmaster at marjorie park..
- Jul 24, 2006
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nice project
NICE WORK LETTERMAN, and nice description of the work. I plan on doing about the same thing but will use polyester resin instead of epoxy. Cheaper and srong enough. i especially like the use of alternative mat'ls, furniture tops, shipping crate salvaging, etc. I have done the same in the past. Bult stuff out of pallets-free ones. can be a pain to take them apart, but its just labor and time-not$. Gotta go now and empty the third pickup load of garbage from the free boat. Maybe i should get my kids to help? I left it in there for a day. My hands were too sore to do it when i got home thursday. Hey, what do you think about getting my boys white coveralls, goggles, and a respirator for christmas? Planning on just giving money, but giving a gift of "thoughtful" items,means somuch more. Thou i won't even consider it for my girlfriend!!!!!!!!!thanks, Patrick oh i plan on skinning all the plywood surfaces with glass for strength and waterproofness. Beter for the wood to absorbe resin than water.
NICE WORK LETTERMAN, and nice description of the work. I plan on doing about the same thing but will use polyester resin instead of epoxy. Cheaper and srong enough. i especially like the use of alternative mat'ls, furniture tops, shipping crate salvaging, etc. I have done the same in the past. Bult stuff out of pallets-free ones. can be a pain to take them apart, but its just labor and time-not$. Gotta go now and empty the third pickup load of garbage from the free boat. Maybe i should get my kids to help? I left it in there for a day. My hands were too sore to do it when i got home thursday. Hey, what do you think about getting my boys white coveralls, goggles, and a respirator for christmas? Planning on just giving money, but giving a gift of "thoughtful" items,means somuch more. Thou i won't even consider it for my girlfriend!!!!!!!!!thanks, Patrick oh i plan on skinning all the plywood surfaces with glass for strength and waterproofness. Beter for the wood to absorbe resin than water.
- Jul 24, 2006
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Ed, how do you know?
Ed how do you know one of the cords belongs to the dock? The owner just told me this thursday, cept he said that it was the pigtail that converts shorepower to regular ac plug, but how fo you know??????Have you ever dealt with NOA? Are they honesat, reputable, and do they let you do some minor repairs? Like the rudder post gland? Plan on calling them on monday. Tried several marinas on saterday but got no answer or an answerring machine
Ed how do you know one of the cords belongs to the dock? The owner just told me this thursday, cept he said that it was the pigtail that converts shorepower to regular ac plug, but how fo you know??????Have you ever dealt with NOA? Are they honesat, reputable, and do they let you do some minor repairs? Like the rudder post gland? Plan on calling them on monday. Tried several marinas on saterday but got no answer or an answerring machine
- Jul 24, 2006
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Nuts fall close to the tree
just got off the phone with my 14yo to see what he was doing and if he was willing to come over and help unload the truck and other stuff. He said that him and a buddy were outside ridding bikes-he just came inside to get some garbage bags-to attach to their handlebars as sails-its windy out today. kewl, thats my boy, sailor thru-and-thru.
just got off the phone with my 14yo to see what he was doing and if he was willing to come over and help unload the truck and other stuff. He said that him and a buddy were outside ridding bikes-he just came inside to get some garbage bags-to attach to their handlebars as sails-its windy out today. kewl, thats my boy, sailor thru-and-thru.
- Jul 24, 2006
- 628
Ross, thanks again for your advice
I know i need to have the boat on the hard to do alot of the repairs, and certainly as close to home as possible, but, When i get it on the hard it will take lots of money and time to do all the repairs needed. I hear that yard fees are around $30 A DAY. i was just thinking it would be good to have the bottom done and fix the "major leak problems" for now. Its seems pretty resonable for $700. It will also be a good stopover before going "outside for the run up the coast. I can keep it for free in the water, do the gut and redoe on the inside, save my money up for the needed yard work. Also, it will give me time to decide on what i will need, also, allow me to research materials and info. I would like to limit the thru hulls to only the neccssities. But don't know what is required. 1. diesel exhaust 2. raw water intake for diesel 3.pump over for head 4.i think intake for the airconditioner, etc, etc. I will get the needed info from this site as well as books-have you read Peggy Halls book on heads? I don't want to get into the situation where the boat is on the hard and torn apart, and i can't afford to pu it back together or pay the yard fees. Also, its a 4 year plan and i want to sail it at least some of that time. The outside is not that bad, just need to fix hull/deck joint and some gelcoat patch work. If allwed, can do that when out for bottom job. I can add rubrail and paint later on. i have been told i can remove diesel in the water? Patrick
I know i need to have the boat on the hard to do alot of the repairs, and certainly as close to home as possible, but, When i get it on the hard it will take lots of money and time to do all the repairs needed. I hear that yard fees are around $30 A DAY. i was just thinking it would be good to have the bottom done and fix the "major leak problems" for now. Its seems pretty resonable for $700. It will also be a good stopover before going "outside for the run up the coast. I can keep it for free in the water, do the gut and redoe on the inside, save my money up for the needed yard work. Also, it will give me time to decide on what i will need, also, allow me to research materials and info. I would like to limit the thru hulls to only the neccssities. But don't know what is required. 1. diesel exhaust 2. raw water intake for diesel 3.pump over for head 4.i think intake for the airconditioner, etc, etc. I will get the needed info from this site as well as books-have you read Peggy Halls book on heads? I don't want to get into the situation where the boat is on the hard and torn apart, and i can't afford to pu it back together or pay the yard fees. Also, its a 4 year plan and i want to sail it at least some of that time. The outside is not that bad, just need to fix hull/deck joint and some gelcoat patch work. If allwed, can do that when out for bottom job. I can add rubrail and paint later on. i have been told i can remove diesel in the water? Patrick
Patrick, Life is different up here. Water space is
expensive compared to dry storage. They just move it to the back lot and you do whatever you want. November to the end of April is about 20 dollars per foot for the season. That generally includes haul out power wash and spring launch. My slip fees are about 1300 for the season.
expensive compared to dry storage. They just move it to the back lot and you do whatever you want. November to the end of April is about 20 dollars per foot for the season. That generally includes haul out power wash and spring launch. My slip fees are about 1300 for the season.
I hope you were kidding
I hope you were kidding when you said " ....getting my boys white coveralls, goggles, and a respirator for christmas? This is your project, not theirs. I think you are losing sight of that. Buying them work clothes to work on your boat for x-mas? Please get a reality check. Most younger people today are into fast moving sports that would scare us older guys to death. Working on your boat for several years in order to sail it someday will most likely NOT be appealing to them. If they want to help with your boat, thats great, but dont try to talk them into it. IMHO Tony B
I hope you were kidding when you said " ....getting my boys white coveralls, goggles, and a respirator for christmas? This is your project, not theirs. I think you are losing sight of that. Buying them work clothes to work on your boat for x-mas? Please get a reality check. Most younger people today are into fast moving sports that would scare us older guys to death. Working on your boat for several years in order to sail it someday will most likely NOT be appealing to them. If they want to help with your boat, thats great, but dont try to talk them into it. IMHO Tony B
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