I recently purchased a 1988 28.5 and was planning on changing the large canister fuel filter. It appears to be a FRAM FBM 1110 ??? but the BoatUS and West Marine catalogs indicate this is a gasoline filter. Anyone else out there using this filter? Could it be used for both diesel and gas? Should I junk this one and go to another brand? Your advice is appreciated..
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Steve O.
junk it
Get a Racor from WM or BoatUS or whoever. They have a clear plastic viewing bowl and a tap for draing off water. Much better set up, cost you about $60.00.
Get a Racor from WM or BoatUS or whoever. They have a clear plastic viewing bowl and a tap for draing off water. Much better set up, cost you about $60.00.
You guys will never learn!
John: As Steve O said, "junk it". You left yourself wide open for that one. You should have known with these guys what they would say when you lead in that way. But you are both correct. Just get yourself a Racor (smallest unit will do fine). When you purchase the unit purchase a couple of spare filters and leave them on board. You never know when things are going to plug up. Also you may want to think about putting a shut off valve on the tank (if you don't have one) when you do this too. It helps when you try to reprime the system (make sure that it is open before you try priming). You may also want to consider adding one of the priming bulbs to the system too.
John: As Steve O said, "junk it". You left yourself wide open for that one. You should have known with these guys what they would say when you lead in that way. But you are both correct. Just get yourself a Racor (smallest unit will do fine). When you purchase the unit purchase a couple of spare filters and leave them on board. You never know when things are going to plug up. Also you may want to think about putting a shut off valve on the tank (if you don't have one) when you do this too. It helps when you try to reprime the system (make sure that it is open before you try priming). You may also want to consider adding one of the priming bulbs to the system too.
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Marc Honey
Ditto
Ditto on the Racor. I put one on my 87 28.5 right after purchase 3+ years ago and it is a much better filter. The ability to bleed off any water that gets in there is a big plus.
Ditto on the Racor. I put one on my 87 28.5 right after purchase 3+ years ago and it is a much better filter. The ability to bleed off any water that gets in there is a big plus.
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John B
I agree but ....
John, I agree that the Racor is the long term replacement, but, in the present moment, if you are just trying to deal with what you have, a "NAPA 3110" is supposed to be a direct replacement. That's from the NAPA cross ref. book. I bought one & was about to change it when I found I had a weeping thru-hull and had to haul to tend to that. While hauled, I found another big problem and haven't been able to change it yet. The NAPA filter is a water separator fuel filter & appears to be the right size. I think it only costs about 8 bucks, so you can't go too wrong trying it. Check the archive for information on changing the primary & secondary filters and bleeding the system. I will appreciate hearing about your experience as I am probably still a month away from being able to do it. Just e-mail - webguy@webguyonline.com Thanks. John
John, I agree that the Racor is the long term replacement, but, in the present moment, if you are just trying to deal with what you have, a "NAPA 3110" is supposed to be a direct replacement. That's from the NAPA cross ref. book. I bought one & was about to change it when I found I had a weeping thru-hull and had to haul to tend to that. While hauled, I found another big problem and haven't been able to change it yet. The NAPA filter is a water separator fuel filter & appears to be the right size. I think it only costs about 8 bucks, so you can't go too wrong trying it. Check the archive for information on changing the primary & secondary filters and bleeding the system. I will appreciate hearing about your experience as I am probably still a month away from being able to do it. Just e-mail - webguy@webguyonline.com Thanks. John
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Eric Lorgus
My 28.5 has a Fram
John: I have a 1987 28.5. My boat is about an hour away, but I keep a spreadsheet in my laptop of all the specs. According to it, the Fram fuel filter that I use is a Fram Fuel Filter #C1110PL I don't know anything about the filter you mentioned. Might it be that the previous owner bought the right size but wrong kind last time he replaced it? I replace both my fuel filters once a year, in the spring. I also carry some *new* spares, including belts and impellers. I can't comment about the other suggestioned models -- only know my Fram has worked fine. Eric Lorgus s/v Explorer 87H285
John: I have a 1987 28.5. My boat is about an hour away, but I keep a spreadsheet in my laptop of all the specs. According to it, the Fram fuel filter that I use is a Fram Fuel Filter #C1110PL I don't know anything about the filter you mentioned. Might it be that the previous owner bought the right size but wrong kind last time he replaced it? I replace both my fuel filters once a year, in the spring. I also carry some *new* spares, including belts and impellers. I can't comment about the other suggestioned models -- only know my Fram has worked fine. Eric Lorgus s/v Explorer 87H285
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John Sheppard
FRAM OK for Diesel too
After several phone calls and finally being connected to the FRAM technical support line, I found out that this particular filter can be used for diesel too. Since it has "apparently" been working fine over the years, I'll probably just keep it. The suggestion of a fuel cutoff and priming bulb seem like good ideas that I'll implement... thanks again...
After several phone calls and finally being connected to the FRAM technical support line, I found out that this particular filter can be used for diesel too. Since it has "apparently" been working fine over the years, I'll probably just keep it. The suggestion of a fuel cutoff and priming bulb seem like good ideas that I'll implement... thanks again...
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Doug Kornreich
Should not use Fram on a Yanmar Engine
When I took the Yanmar Diesel class at Mack Boring (Engine City Tech) last fall Larry Berlin showed us why we should not use a Fram filter. It does not seat tightly on the fitting and you run the risk of a leak. For the difference in cost, it isn't worth it. Yanmar strongly recommends either Racor or Yanmar itself. I would go with that.
When I took the Yanmar Diesel class at Mack Boring (Engine City Tech) last fall Larry Berlin showed us why we should not use a Fram filter. It does not seat tightly on the fitting and you run the risk of a leak. For the difference in cost, it isn't worth it. Yanmar strongly recommends either Racor or Yanmar itself. I would go with that.
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Bob
Fram! Warranty?
You should also be aware that if you use filters other than the manufacturer recommended, it could void your warranty if you have any left. The Yanmar class did reiterate that they love people who don't use Yanmar replacement parts cause it just gives them more business in the end.
You should also be aware that if you use filters other than the manufacturer recommended, it could void your warranty if you have any left. The Yanmar class did reiterate that they love people who don't use Yanmar replacement parts cause it just gives them more business in the end.
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Bill
Confusion
I think some people are talking about oil filters instead of the fuel filter. Many Hunters back then came with a Fram fuel filter which was located across from the transmission. There is a nut on the bottom of this filter housing which when opened evacuates any collected water. It just doean't have the clear cylinder that the Rancor has and is probably messier to change. The issue of using oil filters on the Yanmar, other than Yanmar ones, is a long debate with a lot of urban tales attached. I don't know where you go to get this one resolved in an unbiased manner. I know I've used Fram and NAPA filters with no ill effects for years.
I think some people are talking about oil filters instead of the fuel filter. Many Hunters back then came with a Fram fuel filter which was located across from the transmission. There is a nut on the bottom of this filter housing which when opened evacuates any collected water. It just doean't have the clear cylinder that the Rancor has and is probably messier to change. The issue of using oil filters on the Yanmar, other than Yanmar ones, is a long debate with a lot of urban tales attached. I don't know where you go to get this one resolved in an unbiased manner. I know I've used Fram and NAPA filters with no ill effects for years.
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John
FRAM Fuel Filter (External)
The FRAM filter I was talking about is the external "pre" filter, not the one mounted on the engine. As I mentioned earlier, the BOATUS/West Marine catalog shows the FRAM C1110 filter as a "gasoline" filter. FRAM tech support says it's ok for diesel too. My guess is that it was originally put on my boat several years ago... and it appears to work fine. This weekend I replaced the external FRAM filter and also the filter near the front of the Yanimar engine (2GM20F) (with a Yanimar part). Both were replaced uneventfully, without leaks, and with no problem purging the air from the system. Both were relative clean. Also replace the air filter and oil filter. It was the first time I had replaced them and I was a little concerned but all went well.
The FRAM filter I was talking about is the external "pre" filter, not the one mounted on the engine. As I mentioned earlier, the BOATUS/West Marine catalog shows the FRAM C1110 filter as a "gasoline" filter. FRAM tech support says it's ok for diesel too. My guess is that it was originally put on my boat several years ago... and it appears to work fine. This weekend I replaced the external FRAM filter and also the filter near the front of the Yanimar engine (2GM20F) (with a Yanimar part). Both were replaced uneventfully, without leaks, and with no problem purging the air from the system. Both were relative clean. Also replace the air filter and oil filter. It was the first time I had replaced them and I was a little concerned but all went well.
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steven f.
this should stir the pot
My 1981 H33 has a Westerbeke 21a that the original owner put on in 1985. In addition to the Racor filter/seperator he installed a Fram PH8A oil filter just BEFORE the Racor filter. He said it was to seperate any large particles before they even got to the Racor. He had a algae problem at one point, that was the reason for all the filtration. This series of filters has been on the engine for 16+ years and 2500 hours with no problems, yet. Yes, a biocide is used in the fuel with each tank and so for I have had no signs of fuel contamination in three years.
My 1981 H33 has a Westerbeke 21a that the original owner put on in 1985. In addition to the Racor filter/seperator he installed a Fram PH8A oil filter just BEFORE the Racor filter. He said it was to seperate any large particles before they even got to the Racor. He had a algae problem at one point, that was the reason for all the filtration. This series of filters has been on the engine for 16+ years and 2500 hours with no problems, yet. Yes, a biocide is used in the fuel with each tank and so for I have had no signs of fuel contamination in three years.
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