For Ed: Diff's Between H36c and H37c

[rardiH36]

Ed:

I also have wondered about two Hunters built the same time with only one foot diff in length. But the 37 does have a more substantial look to it (9" more beam and 4000 more lbs displacement). My impression though is that the 37 was the more upscale Cherubini with a few more features than the 36.

You are right, the 36 doesn't have a quarter berth. Maybe the interior main salon accomodation space on the 36 is not much different than the 37, but compared to the H37C I've seen (exterior only) at another marina here in Sausalito, I think the cockpit of the H36C is smaller which allowed Hunter to allocate more space to the interior than otherwise. The H36s' port/starboard cockpit lazerette seats are not huge. Only two people can seat comfortably on each. So if more than four people (including the skipper), some must sit on the downwind side.

Yes, the mast is stepped on the cabin top. The compression post (covered from view by nice teak) is just a length of ~4" galvanized pipe that rests in the bilge at its bottom end. If the bilge isn't kept constantly pumped to almost dry, the pipe is immersed in salt water which causes the compression post to compress as it rusts away. I've seen on forum threads that H33 and H30 owners have had to replace their similar type compression posts.

regards,
rardi

 

[Ed Schenck]

Thanks Rardi, that clears up a lot of preconceptions. It would be interesting to have them side by side for a close inspection. Not sure about the cockpit difference(pic). The links to the two H36s in the other post looked very similar to mine. I can seat three across the back. Two on each side is butt to butt. From a distance, excepting the mid-stay, they look identical with the three larger and two smaller portlights. And of course the Cherubini lines which are probably perfect.

P.S. what't that other picture? Found it in my files.

 

[rardiH36]

Hi Ed:

From your pic, it still looks to me that the 37c cockpit has more fore/aft dimension than mine. When I depart from the ski slopes and am back in the nautical environment, I'll take some measurements of my cockpit dimensions so we can more accurately compare.

Sorry, but not sure what you mean by the other picture? If its the second picture attached to your post, hey that's my boat in its Sausalito berth!

 

[sandpiper10471]

My understanding from reading this site and anything "Cherubini" for a while is that the 36 was basically an extended 33, at least as far as the lines go. The 37 was designed for different use and therefore has a different shape and construction schedule. There are major differences in the sailing characteristics of my former 33 vs. the current 37.

 

[rardiH36]

Dear Sandpiper:

As having owned two Cherubuni Hunter models, undoubtedly you have more unique insights than us single model owners. Thanks for your comments. I'm quite sure that if I had the fortune of choosing between similar condition H36c or H37c, I would have gone with the 37, even with the H37c costing a few $k more.

On this forum, I've seen a post that a Cherubuni H37 with the deeper keel option has been extremely successful in deep water ocean racing ... which corresponds to your observation that the H37c sails very differently than the H33c. I haven't seen anything posted about the H36c being a good racer. My H36c I think sails quite well, but when I try to keep up with other boats of the same size and same appx vintage year, I observe it is lacking in the final few degrees of pointing ability. (Could also be because I'm stubbornly hanging on to some long-in-the-tooth sails). I think that the Cherubini H36 only came with the shoal draft 4"11" keel. I've often wondered how my boat would perform with a deeper/narrower keel.

 

[Ed Schenck]

Interesting insight from Bill. I have sailed on H30s and H27s as well as Ed Allen's H37C. But I am afraid I am not discriminating enough. Any time I am on the water I just have this silly grin and could care less as long as we are moving. Speaking of drafts you should try 4'0" Rardi! One advantage of being loaded, probably actually 4'2".

 

[rardiH36]

Ed:

Of course you are right. Best thing is being out on the water and moving along courtesy of mother nature.

Maybe its also why I like snow skiing (as opposed to the power assisted water variety). The steepness of the slope, the skiis, skill, and GRAVITY, and anything from gentle cruising to an all out adrenaline rush. For the senses, only the sounds of the skiis wisping against the snow, the wind in the ears, and the silence of falling snowflakes ... which is happening right now outside my window in the Sierra Nevada near Lake Tahoe.

 

[sandpiper10471]

Rardi: You write so poetically!!! I am sure the slopes of Tahoe are a far cry from Searchmont in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, where I am spending the winter. Big mountain, little hill, doesn't matter much - like Ed says, it gives you a silly grin.

My H33 had a 5'4" draft and went to windward like a witch in all kinds of weather and seas. The new sails helped hugely along with the great fins. However, downwind she was a beotch to steer if there were any waves.

The 37C with 5'1" draft is a bit of a slug to windward but that will be re-evaluated this season after the new sails go on her. Downwind, however, she is steady as a rock and steering is dead easy, largely due to the great chord length of the keel.

Both are extremely sea kindly and both put a huge grin on my face, but for different reasons.

 

[Jim Boernge]

not 36c

I'd like to correct Rardi on the '36c' label. The c in 37c is for cutter. Our 36's are not cutter rigs, therfore, they are just H36 not H36c.
For comparison of the plans I'm attaching a jpg of the two boats. Scale is iffy, the 37c is 6" longer and 9" wider. I'd be happy on either boat!! The port side lasserette has the house batteries and room to store fenders or what ever you are willing to place above your house batteries.

 

[rardiH36]

Re: not 36c

Jim:
Thanks for the clarification. I was adding the "c" to differentiate these are Cherubini Hunters as opposed to the later H36's and H37's. I'll spell out Cherubini in future posts

 

[Ed Schenck]

Neat comparison Jim, thanks. I always knew what Rardi meant with the 'c' designation. Very important distinction that Cherubini label.