Fog Signals

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Jun 5, 2004
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Hunter 44 Mystic, Ct
Had a great shakedown cruise last week. Sailed from Mystic to Cuttyhunk, Vineyard Haven, Wickford, RI and back to Mystic. By the way if in the Wickford area, I highly recommend the Wickford Marina for a transient slip.. Great service and ammenities at a reasonable price. Only disappointment was when we left Wickford on Saturday AM, Naragansett bay was pretty fogged in. Some areas were less than about 100 foot visability. We had radar and proceeded at about 4 knots using our fog horn 1 long signal no longer than every two minutes. (We were motoring) It took us about 1.5 hours to transition down the bay and we passed many boats at anchor fishing (near Jamestown Bridge and Dutch Island) and several sail and power boats going in various directions. While we were able to see most of them on radar, only one of about 25 or so boats we passed was sounding a fog horn. We found this very disturbing and somewhat unsettling as it would have been nice to associate a horn with the radar target. Not sure what these folks were thinking but to the best of my knowledge they should have been required to sound the appropriate signal. Truly an accident waiting to happen.
 
Jun 6, 2006
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currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
you got it right Marc

They should have been announcing themselves via sound signals. Kinda scary ain't it!!!! It is my supposition that they don't have a sound signal to sound and so try to "sneak around in the fog" Totally irresponsible behavior on their part!
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Hi Marc

Just got back from Nantucket last week in similar condtions and heard only one fog signal (frrom a boat) the entire trip. Unfortunately, it was in close proximity to the NAVCON beacon at the entrance to Buzzards Bay and we found it to be easy to confuse the two. In that case, we were happy no one follows the rules...
 
Jun 7, 2004
383
Schock 35 Seattle
Me Too

Last month we moved from Prevost Harbor on Stuart Island in the San Juans down through John's Pass skirting the reefs and to the end of Spieden Island before the pea soup lifted. I had just installed a new VHF with hailer that had automatic fog signal generation. I had to input that I was a 35 ft. sailboat. When I turned on the automatic signal and indicated I was underway (not sailing), I got a long followed by two shorts. Two other sailboats that passed in front of me as I left the harbor also had a long and two shorts. We were all motoring. Anybody know what the proper signal is?
 
Jun 5, 2004
485
Hunter 44 Mystic, Ct
Long and two shorts every two minutes is the signal for a sailboat under sail. One long blast is for any boat under motor.
 

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Feb 5, 2004
7,090
Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
Not commonly used

Sound signals seem to be a thing of the past, and are not commonly used in the area, and should not be relied upon in any way. Rules are often written to reflect what has become common practice, and I imagine that one day the sound signals will be dropped. It is not, therefore, not "totally irresponsible behavior," and with the expectations based on common local practice, shouldn't be "very disturbing and somewhat unsettling." It is just the way it is. The U.S. Navy doesn't even use sound signals in these conditions in this area. For reference, the International Rule related to this is: "(c) A vessel not under command, a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver, a vessel constrained by her draft, a sailing vessel, a vessel engaged in fishing and a vessel engaged in towing or pushing another vessel shall, instead of the signals prescribed in paragraphs (a) or (b) of this Rule, sound at intervals of not more than 2 minutes three blasts in succession, namely one prolonged followed by two short blasts." "(d) A vessel engaged in fishing, when at anchor, and a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver when carrying out her work at anchor, shall instead of the signals prescribed in paragraph (g) of this Rule sound the signal prescribed in paragraph (c) of this Rule." (http://www.uspowerboating.com/USCG_Navigation_Rules.pdf linked below) There are also two blast and four blast signals, for a power driven vessel underway but making no way, and a towed vessel, respectively. But, no one around here uses sound signals anymore. Captains refer to the signals in their dialogue with one another, as in "I'll see you on two whistles," but they never sound the signal. The only times I've ever encountered a sound signal were first, entering Nantucket harbor and being overtaken by a mega-yacht in the channel, he sounded one whistle, which I answered; second, coming abeam of a U.S. Navy sub which I had communicated with, in heavy fog, through "The Race" at the end of Long Island - he gave us one long blast, as courtesy, I think. Likewise, one seldom sees anyone, and almost never yachts, using day shapes, such as the anchor ball (daytime) or the cone for "under sail when also being propelled by machinery." I have only seen dayshapes used on large, fancy sailing yachts that were obviously charters. In poor visibility securitie calls on channels 13 and 16 are commonly used. AIS is in use now, so if your chartplotter supports it, and you get the approximate $200 receiver, you can see the big stuff on the chartplotter. So, use your radar and the VHF and AIS, and look out!
 
Jun 4, 2004
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Catalina - Myrtle Beach
Sorry to Disagree

Sorry to disagree with you Jviss but there are some vessels in your area that do prescribe to the horn signals in fog. I was on a Hy-Liner ferry 2 weeks ago coming back from Nantucket and both the ferry we were on and and other vessels sounded their horns for 1 long blast every 2 minutes when the visability got to be less than 1 nautical mile. Not surprisingly I also saw vessels that did not appear to be sounding a horn and I'm sure that there were many others I could not see that were not sounding a horn either. For our ferry the captain announced what was going to happen so that the passengers would not be surprised and / or startled by the blasts. During the 2 hour ride the captain would cease the 1 long blast when visibility improved and then re-commence when it deteriorated. That to me is responsible behavior. The problem with local practice is that it seems OK until there is a tragedy. Then there is the governmental over-reaction that none of us like.
 
Jun 7, 2004
383
Schock 35 Seattle
Marc

You will see in the text provided by jvis that the long and two shorts are for a "sailing vessel". No mention is made of whether it is under sail or not. In our area (Pac NW) fog is usually accompanied by still wind conditions, so most sailing vessels will be motoring in the fog. I also looked this up in Chapman and found no explanation of whether the signal changes when sailing or motoring. On my boat I have a Uniden 625 installed with a hailing horn. You simply input what kind of boat you have and whether you are "underway" or "anchored" or "sailing" and it picks the appropriate signal. When I did this it picked one long and two shorts. It is possible that customs may vary from place to place. Calicodragon--As I tried to keep track of the two sailboats ahead of me in the fog and they well appearing and disappearing from view it was helpful to hear their horn blasts. IMHO we should all sound horns (or whistles) in the fog.
 
Jun 7, 2004
383
Schock 35 Seattle
Marc

You will see in the text provided by jvis that the long and two shorts are for a "sailing vessel". No mention is made of whether it is under sail or not. In our area (Pac NW) fog is usually accompanied by still wind conditions, so most sailing vessels will be motoring in the fog. I also looked this up in Chapman and found no explanation of whether the signal changes when sailing or motoring. On my boat I have a Uniden 625 installed with a hailing horn. You simply input what kind of boat you have and whether you are "underway" or "anchored" or "sailing" and it picks the appropriate signal. When I did this it picked one long and two shorts. It is possible that customs may vary from place to place. Calicodragon--As I tried to keep track of the two sailboats ahead of me in the fog and they were appearing and disappearing from view it was helpful to hear their horn blasts. IMHO we should all sound horns (or whistles) in the fog.
 
Jun 7, 2004
383
Schock 35 Seattle
Marc

You will see in the text provided by jvis that the long and two shorts are for a "sailing vessel". No mention is made of whether it is under sail or not. In our area (Pac NW) fog is usually accompanied by still wind conditions, so most sailing vessels will be motoring in the fog. I also looked this up in Chapman and found no explanation of whether the signal changes when sailing or motoring. On my boat I have a Uniden 625 installed with a hailing horn. You simply input what kind of boat you have and whether you are "underway" or "anchored" or "sailing" and it picks the appropriate signal. When I did this it picked one long and two shorts. It is possible that customs may vary from place to place. Calicodragon--As I tried to keep track of the two sailboats ahead of me in the fog and they were appearing and disappearing from view it was helpful to hear their horn blasts. IMHO we should all sound horns (or whistles) in the fog.
 
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