Flags

May 11, 2014
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Catalina 22 Lake Pleasant, AZ
Any ideas on where to get a nice flag, flagstaff, and flagstaff holder like this character :) has? I like flying a flag, and I like easy - this looks like it can be stowed and raised much more easily than a flag attached to the backstay, etc.
 

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Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
the holder is a fishing rod holder ...you can get all of that stuff right here on SBO site sore
 
Dec 7, 2012
515
Kittiwake 23, Irwin 43 .. Indianapolis / indianatown, fl
hello all

not trying to steal the thread, but I have a quick question about flags.... is it wrong to fly a flag of another nationality along with your home country flag, and if it is ok, what are the proper procedures for it....

my wife is Chinese, and to honor her and her family back in china, I would like to fly her native flag along with the American flag on our boat.... provided it doesn't cross any taboo, or defile either flag in the process.... she is in the process of becoming an American... it takes the Immigration Department so long to process paperwork and they charge very high fees for everything.... omg, do they ever.....

any thoughts along this lines for me..... ?????????

sincerely
Jess
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
as far as i know you can fly the other countrys flag as long as it is not the top one or it is lower than the us flag
 
May 11, 2014
156
Catalina 22 Lake Pleasant, AZ
I have Chinese co-workers (I worked there for 2-years) that visit me here in Phoenix. I like to take them sailing and want to also fly their flag as a courtesy flag. Likewise, I want to fly the state flag of out-of-state visitors when taking them sailing.

I think that the protocol is that the vessels flag of registry or flag of the skippers home country is always flown from aft (from the stern or back stay) and courtesy flags from the starboard flag halyard (runs from low point on mast to spreader / yardarm). National flags for guests at the top, then club burgees, etc. below that.
 
Dec 7, 2012
515
Kittiwake 23, Irwin 43 .. Indianapolis / indianatown, fl
hello all

thanks Barnacle_Bob... that helps....

I have 3 flag poles on my boat.... one on my bow pulpit for the burgee with the names of my boat, and 2 aft... the 2 aft ones are on the stern pulpit, port and starboard corners.... I have no flag set up on my mast, spreaders, or shrouds....

how would I fly the flags then ?

sincerely
Jess
 
May 11, 2014
156
Catalina 22 Lake Pleasant, AZ
Jess: I’m no expert; but, here are two suggestions:

1. Best bet is to spend a few bucks and add a starboard flag halyard to your starboard spreader - fly any courtesy flags and burgees from there.

2. Otherwise, US flag etiquette says that the US flag should be flown to “it’s own right” or on the left from the observer’s view (http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html) (not entirely sure what that means); but, I think it means that it should be positioned to the right of any other flags - so, on your starboard flagstaff. Then, a smaller Chinese courtesy flag could be flown from the port flagstaff, ideally lower than the US flag. Alternatively, you could maybe fly the US flag with a smaller courtesy flag below it on the same flagstaff.

I think the definitive information on this is found in “The Annapolis Book of Seamanship” by John Rousmaniere - I do not (yet) have a copy; but, you can maybe find one at your local library, used bookstore, etc. Chapman’s is also cited as a good source.

Please share any additional information that you find.

Lastly, below are a couple of related links and items:

- nice summary found here: http://www.cumberlandcrawl.com/flag.html … which includes these tidbits:
- No flag—state, heritage, Confederate, pirate, gag, or otherwise—except for the vessel’s national flag, should EVER fly from the stern of your vessel. This is considered a place of honor, for the vessel’s national flag and no other.
- On a sailboat, the courtesy flag is flown at the starboard spreader. If the sailboat has more than one mast, the courtesy flag is flown from the starboard spreader of the forward mast.

- from a posting from somewhere (grabbed it and saved it): your US flag SHOULD be larger than any courtesy flag you fly from the spreaders. There is no rule on this but the general guideline is 1" of flag length for every foot of boat and going UP to the next standard flag size.
So...a 35' sailboat should have a flag 35" long...and the standard 24x36" flag would thus be appropriate.

- Wikipedia Citation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_flag The position of honour on a ship is the quarterdeck at the stern of the ship, and thus ensigns are traditionally flown either from an ensign staff at the ship's stern, or from a gaff rigged over the stern. The usual rule that no flag should be flown higher than the national flag does not apply on board a ship: a flag flown at the stern is always in a superior position to a flag flown elsewhere on the ship, even if the latter is higher up.
 
Nov 19, 2008
2,129
Catalina C-22 MK-II Parrish, FL
I'm the "skally-wag" with the flag in that photo. Some one hit the nail on the head, it's a fishing pole mount and I bought a long teak flag staff, varnished it with a bunch of coats of varnish, wet sanding between coats. Then I pulled on a couple layers of bicycle tubs from a blow-out I had. This protects the varnished end that fit's in the fishing pole holder, and adds some resistance so it won't come out.

By the way Bob, that photo was taken on one of our trips to Catalina Island. No wind early in the morning, so we motored along while towing the dinghy. The photo below was taken two years ago at the Havasu Pocket Cruiser Convention.
Don
 
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May 11, 2014
156
Catalina 22 Lake Pleasant, AZ
Woody & Don: thanks for the info. Don - love the set-up - very nice. I really hope to join you on one of your trips to Catalina next year. Thanks again.
 
Aug 31, 2011
243
Catalina C-22 9485 Lake Rathbun, IA
Great question. We have been looking at this ourselves and the correct decisions need to be made. Further to Barnacle Bob's excellent notes, there is much posted on the web regarding flag protocols, especially the US national flag. I researched this subject heavily as we fly both our national flags (US and NZ) on poles at the entrance to our property. No national flag should be lower than any other but the rules on the US flag are quite specific on placement of another national flag (BB's descriptive is quite correct). Also note the protocols regarding half-staff, when it may be enacted and impact on other flags. The issues related to ships may be different considering tbe flag of registry and the flag associated with the current port. There should be a site that defines these rules.

Here is a link that defines national flags and addresses the flag of the skipper, crew, etc.
http://www.sailingissues.com/flags-etiquette.html

Also, contact US Flag Inc. or another flag maker. In addition to making great flags of all types they have info regarding flag protocols and will no doubt happily advise you.
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
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Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
Here's a photo of the rail mount, staff and flag I bought from Defender Marine.
Might be available here also.

Here is what I bought:
Annin United States Flag Ensign
Taylor Made Stainless Steel Flag Pole Socket
SeaTeak Flag Pole
Taylor Made Skipper Flag Clips
 

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Aug 11, 2011
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catalina 22 Islamorada
I fly my dive flag from a fishing pole holder and have the flag attached to an ol fishing pole. :)

My American flag I have attached to the back stay and hoisted to the top of the mast.