First Boat Purchase 1980 C&C 34'--Core Issues?

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Oct 14, 2011
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C&C 34 Chicago
Hello, I am looking to make my first boat purchase and I came across a 1980 C&C 34'. It has a recent survey that indicates some softening and elevated moisture issues that concern me. I am a DIY kinda guy and dont mind a project boat, but I don't want to get over my head.

I would love ANY input on this boat model, this particular boat, etc...Here is the link to the website, it has the survey, pics, etc...

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/list...er&&hosturl=sailboatsales&&ywo=sailboatsales&

The current asking price is way off base, and the seller knows it. What would a boat like this be worth in this condition? What are the estimated repair costs to get her in good/safe working order?

Thanks for your help!

-Chris
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Really isn't much info in that survey on which to base a decision to purchase. Anybody could guess the same issues on a boat of that age. If it were me, I'd get my own surveyor to more carefully inspect the suspect issues and discuss with him the severity. For example, this surveyor noted high moisture reading precisely where standing water was found in the bilge - duhhhhh!
 
Oct 14, 2011
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C&C 34 Chicago
Thanks Don, I noticed the moisture reading comment too...I went back and checked out the boat yesterday and walked around with my own moisture reader. Some of the areas on the deck show pretty high levels, but overall I got dry readings. The cockpit floor showed very high readings all around, and you can feel a slight "give" when you hop around.

The owner of the boat yard insists that she is safe and sturdy, especially when considering the fact that I will be cruising in the great lakes. The electrical system is probably shot and will need to be replaced, amongst many other projects. I am considering an offer, but when I factor in all of the expenses required just to make her sail worthy I am having a hard time justifying a price of $6,000-$8,000...especially considering I will be hit with a winter storage fee of about $2,000.

Any other thoughts or considerations are much appreciated!!

Chris
 
Jul 29, 2010
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planning purchase considering C&C Beaufort
You might want to check out the album on Morning View Sailing Team's Facebook page. Morning View is a 1979 CC 34. My buddy works for a major composites supplier to the boating industry and did the repairs shown covering about 60% of the cabin roof/foredeck. I helped out a bit - the make ready was nasty work. But Chris had the skills to execute the repair including vacuum bagging the composite. It turned out super stiff and looks fine. If I were attempting such a repair, I would want an experienced guy looking over my shoulder. This was not for the faint of heart, or those inclined to sloth (me for instance) but could be done DIY. That said, once repaired you have a nice boat and MV just loves 10knts plus.

I checked out the survey on your link. MVs repair was in the same area reported as suspicious in the survey. We noticed the issue rounding a windward mark on a heavy day.
The foredeck was deforming slightly from the pressure of the rig off the wind. Not a problem easily ignored.
 
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Aug 14, 2009
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C&C 34 Lakeshore Yacht club
Ya I was going to suggest Morning Views page as well. That was a major job done in a professional manner. I see the boat was sold. Did you buy it. My suggestion would be to drill a grid of holes into the core and let it dry over the next winter. To accelerate the process you can fill the holes with 99.9% rubbing alcohol. it helps to draw out the water. definitely its a slow process that will require the boat covered and dry under. I would even use lamps to heat things up slightly to accelerate it all. Then in the spring test to see if everything is dry. if it is dilute epoxy with acetone. perform your own tests to determine a suitable percentage by dipping cartboard paper into the mixture. seeing how well it draws the epoxy in and how hard it gets when it all dries. they say not to think more then 10% but i was able to do 50% with good results. I will retest again this year to make my final decision. basically u take the dilluted stuff and fill the drilled out holes. let it soaks the core, then add some less diluted epoxy and at the end fill it with the pure stuff. Its a method that if done correctly can save a lot of work that would be involved in in what Morning View had done. basically patience is no.1 requirement. you need to make sure the core is dry. if the core is too far gone with mold in it then this method might not be the way to go since mold holds moisture so ordinary drying will not work. the other main thing is to get the mixture correct and to infuse the core with proper amounts to get penetration and then more strength with less diluted formulas to soak in the worst spots.

I have a 1981 C&C 34 and love it so far. This year im adding shorepower AC panel, mastervolt battery charger inverter, going to try fitting a 3rd battery, got a kenwood kmr-700 stereo, x-5 with p70 autopilot, fridge, want to run wifi and radio cable for antennas in mast, bluesea vessel systems monitor and i might still need to get a new depth and speed transducer with a tridata display. And thats just electrical. Im getting nervous about all this. I hope the weather warms up to 10 degrees so the work can start. I also want to stiffen up the stantion bases, I have cracks all around them, finish the work in the bilge and paint it all up. Also I want to built my own Bimini. I got the stainless steel tubes waiting. got a sowing machine. just designing/building the device for the bending. Im also going to mount at least one solar panel on top. The price of buying older and cheaper is that they require work. Fortunately I got the critical stuff done mostly. Only the stantions and to a lesser part the bilge remain. I also hope when i try unscrewing the zinks out of the engine there will still be something left on them. The boat had minor electronics on it and no shore power so risk of galvanization was minimal i hope. Also a good tip is to buy everything you need during the winter. it gives you time to wait for sales, gives you plenty of time to research products and prices and going informed to the boat show does pay off.
 
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