Fearless or experienced?

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larry w

Fearless is also known as

more balls than brains. The guy who is unafraid when he should be scared doesn't fully grasp the situation. Give me experienced every time. You see those guys on America Funniest Videos and Country Fried Videos? They are the definition of fearless.
 
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Jim

someone teaches them but they learn from

Experience.

From my blackberry. I am off the Jersey Coast enjoying ligth air, 15 MPH.

You learn from doing. Ross did you rebuild your boatby reading books. I think you had experience working with tool before you started.
 
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todd

Unclear question

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Maybe you should have used "level headed" instead of "fearless" and made the choice, as you seem to elaborate on later, between:

1) level headed but inexperienced
2) cowardly, but experienced

Me, I'll take level headed but inexperienced any day.

Todd
 
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Ross

Jim, I rebuilt my boat with boatbuilding knowledge

derived from books and with fifty years of experience with tools. But she is the only boat that I have sailed other than a 15 foot canoe that I rigged for sailing. I learned to sail with caution and an understanding of the systems and principles involved. I had never had the helm of a powered boat before we launched Bietzpadlin. I had never seen her in the water before we launched her. I had to take her out of the launch basin, motor a half mile to the slips and back her into a slip and tie her up safely. But I had built every system on her and knew the purpose of every nut, bolt, wire and line. Every valve and every tank, every hose had my hand prints on it. I was careful, cautious, and not frozen by fear. I had insured myself against damage to others and was confident that I could repair any damage I inflicted to my boat. So I went boldly and confidently forward. I had inspected and repaired my sails and the sail covers. I made every mistake that a new boater can make in sail handling. Even nearly losing a halyard up the mast. We have run aground an average number of times for the Chesapeake Bay but have always gotten off by ourselves. Today I am a man with experience sailing in moderate weather in the bay and with the confidence of knowing the systems on my boat and a fairly complete understanding of how they work together.
 
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sailortonyb Allied Mistress 39

Thanks Todd

I tried to elaborate on my definition, but too many were fixated on the word 'fearless'.
I would replace the word 'cowardly' with the words 'unknown level of courage'.
Since we wouldnt really wouldnt know how someone would react to siutuations untill they are there. Courage to be defined as to being able to function 100% and not let fear slow them down.

Tony B
 
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MoonSailer

Tony I think I know what you are getting at

Some people have a sense of confidence and courage to undertake adventures. These are the people that you want to have your back. An experienced coward is still a coward. I would rather have someone with me who I can trust to help if help is needed. Sure an experienced sailer might know that he needs to go up on deck to lower the sails but be afraid to do so.
Iwas sailing with a guy who knew how to sail but tended to freeze when the time called for action. We were siling through the jetties and broached and started heading towards the rocks. He did nothing!!!!!! I ran and loosend the main and turned the wheel to get us out of the broach. I have no dount that he would have lost his boat without my actions. We were also canoeing whitewater and he froze in the middle of some rapids. His paddle out of the water and me doing all of the steering. He is a great guy but I always knew that he was useless in an emergency. Most things you can figure out if you keep a cool head and act!!!!
 
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sailortonyb Allied Mistress 39

Moon

When i was teaching myself to fly an ultra-light, I will admit that that was the dumbist thing I ever did. Prior to that I had never piloted an aircraft.
During my first flight, which was totally accidental, (thats another story)I remembered all of the books said, more or less, if in doubt, relax and the plane will head into the wind and fly itself. I found out, through faith in the books, that it is true.
When I took my first sail I remembered reading that if all goes to s**t, loosen the lines, that will buy you time to come up with a plan. That I found is also true.
Armed with that bit of knowledge, plus more, takes away MOST fears. A cool level head, armed with knowledge from reading is all that is needed to sail.
I was on a coastal cruise, not an ocean crossing. I guess the excitement of the trip was the most powerful of emotions.
As for learning by reading, I am learning from experts. All pretty much agree with eachother. Not really much to handling 3 lines total. From reading, I knew what to expect and what to do. There was some trial and error, but not much.
In our two week trip, there were very little surprises.

Tony B
 
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jim

it happen fast out here Ross

You have to kown what to dom. More over you need to feel it. You can't stop to thing about your next move.

But, someone that well read with boat handling experience like you just needs a couple of trips under his belt to get up to speed.

Why don't you go around the DelMar loop? That would be a great first trip for Bedpans.

Jim
 
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Ross

Jim, I am not sure what you are talking about so

I am not comfortable writing a reply other than this.
 
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Jim

Ok Ross why not

get some experience.

Why don’t you try sailing Bedpan around the Delmar peninsula? That would be a good first trip for you. You have a GPS and the charts.
 
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TimCup

The question was about fearless vs experience-

reminds me of one of my favorite expressions:

There Are Old Pilots, and
Ther Are Bold Pilots, but
There Are No Old Bold Pilots.

ps- I'm scared to death to fly...


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Ross

Jim, Go tie your leg to the anchor

and pick it and jump overboard. *butt
 
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PilotAlso

it all depends

Let me start by saying that every person comes with his/her individual experiences, strengths, and weaknesses.

What one person considers foolhardy, someone else finds a calculated risk, and others forget the "calculated" part and just forge ahead oblivious to the risk.

Given a choice, I'd always prefer sailing/flying/etc with an experienced, capable mate. If required to make a choice between an unknown supposedly experienced person and an inexperienced person who I know and trust, I'd go with the latter.

My primary job has been as a Firefighter/Paramedic. I have many very competent, experienced, co-workers I trust with my life. I also have some who I don't trust in tight situations even though they have "experience".

My son-in-law and I sailed my new to me 34' sailboat from Lake Erie to Milwaukee last summer. Neither of us had ever actually sailed a keel boat before that trip.

On the surface, it looks like a foolhardy undertaking. Some people have told us the same, going as far as insinuating we not only endangered ourselves but also potential rescuers should we have blundered into trouble.

They could only see from their perspective of our preparedness. All they saw was a couple of goofs jumping into a boat and heading off into the blue without any "experience".

They didn't/couldn't know how much study and preparation went into the trip and what previous life experiences we brought to the table. They didn't know we are both pilots with a pretty good handle on airfoils. They didn't know we have been students of weather for many years. They didn't know we had studied and investigated every inch of the boat prior to leaving port. They didn't know the redundant navigation devices we brought aboard (yes - including paper charts which BTW: are very similar to aviation charts). They didn't know of a near perfect weather window forecast for our route. Etc!!!!!!!!!!!

Bottom line, they didn't know what we actually knew or how we react to intense situations. They just made assumptions and labeled us "unqualified" and "dangerous".

Sometimes what looks foolhardy on the outside really is a "calculated risk"! Some are too timid to accept the risk while others knowingly accept the risk and live closer to the edge.
 
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Breaking wind

its all relative

I fly an experimental Pitts Biplane in airshows all over the place and I spend a great deal of time upside down or tumbling thru the air @ 170Kts and close enough for people to see me on the ground.. a lot of people think I am (fill in the blank) fearless, crazy, insane, death wish, etc etc. what most don't realize is that a lot of prep has gone into making it look dangerous and there is nothing I do in my routine that I havent done 100's or 1,000's of times way up @ 5000 ft and it really is quite safe. relatively speaking of course obviously not as safe as the guy on the ground looking up saying "look @ that crazy bastard" but its a calculated risk with nothing but safety in my mind.

People that know me personally know that I like it fast but I am very humble and safety is my #1 priority.

is it just me? or are there a lot of guys that post on here that are more worried who has the bigger "mast" then just being friendly and helpful?

ross you are too funny.
 
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Ross

Geez*butt, are you still here?

Waffle or pancake or jim or what ever you choose to call yourself today you are tiresome.
 
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Ross

Geez*butt, are you still here?

Waffle or pancake or jim or what ever you choose to call yourself today you are tiresome.
 
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Ross

Geez*butt, are you still here?

Waffle or pancake or jim or what ever you choose to call yourself today you are tiresome.
 
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CalebD

It is a fine line.

I have let guys that are (IMHO) less experienced in smaller boats be my captain and I can even be over cautious. I would always err on the side of being too careful on the briny rather than bold and assuming that there is nothing to worry about. I like to think that that is why I am still here at the bright young age of 50.
Even on my last ocean sailing passage it was easier because fewer boats were near by. The lack of other boats does not mean that you should let down your guard. There are other idiots out there: http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080719/NEWS/807190311
PS, you forgot to mention the Darwin Awards for people who just don't get it.
 
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