Fatal accident on Buzzards Bay

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Ross

I have a friend who is a sailboat owner and

has sailed for more that 20 years, teaches sailing, works for seatow and has his "6 pack" ticket. I was discribing to him a situation I encountered the is close to your question. I was motoring in the channel heading for my slip when a sailboat from the local school sailed across the channel.Lots of room, no fault or harm. After about 200 yards he tacks and reverses course, this puts him crossing my bow about the time I cross his course. I held my course until he could see the rust marks on my anchor and put the helm down and passed his stern.
A. he was by every rule within his rights to do that.

B. I gave way after I was sure that doing otherwise would put me on top of him.

C. I asked my friend about this and his response was,"Just because you can legally do something doesn't make it good seamanship."

D. I sent an email to the sailing school and detailed the encounter. We have about 4 square miles of very good open water in that area and most of it is not crowded.

E. I have seen the school's boats out since then and they make for low traffic, open water to instruct their clients.
 
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Mike

To Power and Sail

You A**Hole - did you actually read what i wrote? I doubt it - I said I NEVER FORCE MY RIGHT OF WAY EVER! You Dope
 
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Ross

Mike , Which A$$hole are you referring to?

You have seemingly found several here. Please try to drop the hyperbole and use a rational tone of typing. You seem to have been alluding to the idea that all sailers are rude and all powerboaters are victims. Perhaps the reality lays somewhere in a middle ground or waterway.
 
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Recess

I as many have been both a powerboater and a sailor

This guy is just a troll and it is very sad that he would use the death of a person as a place to troll other people. It is scary that there are boat owners out there such as this guy. We can respectfully discuss what may have taken place on this horrible day. I really struggle to find a situation given what we know that puts the powerboater in the right of way in this situation. Respectfully speculating is far different than handing out a judgement on what happened.

I think the best thing that can happen is the investigating party is aware that many people are following this case so there is no chance that someone is trying to protect one of their own.
 
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Liberty Pass

Well....

I have been watching the transgression of this thread, and it certainly appears Mike has had his wheaties pissed on by somebody. I agree with Phil - take a chill pill and head out to the cornfield.

This thread started with Roger's posting of the accident that took the life of Mr. Walsh. That was indeed an unfortunate event. Powerboater or sailboater, it doesn't matter. A life was lost.
 
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Mike

To Charlie Cobra

Finally, an intelligent post.
Please read the posts, i didn't start the name calling, i am not afraid of any one, i would be glad to say this to your face, yada yada yada.
I am leaving work right now; i am going to take my wife and young sons out on the boat for the weekend. I guess i will resume my boating as i did before this terrible accident took place. I will continue to pass you guys astern as i have ALWAYS done, i will continue to smile at you while you wiz by me as I’m anchored with my kids swimming off the back of the boat and i will continue to keep a sharp look out. As far as your respect goes, I never asked for it, don't really care if i have it or not, fellow boaters/sailors in this area hold me in high regard. As long as i have the respect of those that really know who i am then I’m fine. It just cracks me up that not one of you even for a second will contemplate that this accident was caused by the sailor, WHY? Was he not human? Will any of you apologize to me if this is proven to be the case? I doubt you will. I have nothing to apologize for. I have not accused either person in this incident; i have merely tried to determine what happened. These are my opinions, you all have yours. To bad this couldn't have been an open forum for both Power Boaters and Sail Boaters to come together, try and figure out what happened and inform each other of the necessary steps to prevent something like this from ever happening again. To whoever is at fault i feel for them, i could never boat again if i ever caused an accident, i don't know what i would do if it resulted in someone’s death.
 
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CharlieCobra

Mike, enjoy your weekend with the family.

I hope those are little sailboats tacking close aboard, if not, they're idiots. M'self, I try to maintain at least 100' of separation from other vessels, unless in a narrow channel and I never buzz a parked or anchored boat, be it sail or power.
 
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Power & Sail

Yes Mike!!

I've read EXACTLY what you've written and it's laughable! I guess I'm just lucky to have never run into you at Grand Manan, Jeffreys, Cashes, or the Dumping Grounds!!

Unfortunately, you don't even have a clue that there is NO SUCH general language, with the exception of ONE very specific situation and paragraph, that uses the term "Right of Way". You my friend are a total POSER! Perhaps you can go Google that ONE paragraph that refers to "right of way" and show us how "smart" you are..??



Quote Mike: "I NEVER FORCE MY RIGHT OF WAY EVER!"


That's to bad because you SHOULD always hold your STAND ON position to let other boaters know your intentions! If they don't respond it is your duty to then avoid collision! So, by your own DUMB admittance, have admitted that you DO NOT abide by the 72 COLREGS..

Keep digging your own grave buddy you are the "DOPE" and you've publicly made a mockery of your self and the power boating community...

Perhaps you need to refresh you understanding of the Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions or 72 COLREGS.
 
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Cap't Ron

Dialogue mates; dialogue....

All of us, me included, and even tempered Ross have been a bit ticked off at times here. This one has gone a bit over limits to 'outer-limits'.

Welcome Power boater skippers, frieghters, fishermen and all manner of crafts here. The more dialogue and discussions we have explaining our views on safe boating the safer it will be for everyone.

I know nil of Buzzadrs Bay, and could easily get confused or miss what the author was explaining. I get confused in S.F. bay and have been sailing it for fifty odd years!

I've bee around power vessels and sailboats lifelong, and they both have their advantages.

30 Knots and needing 'split second' decisions? To me, and the USCG book "Rules of the Road" you need to sloooooow down mister.
Sail boats need to make good deciions far ahead of their intended trackline for obvious reasons: anticipating freighter traffic, fog, currents, tacking, + more.
Power vessels by their very nature are more manuverable, and have nearly nil worrys on current or traffic for they can take just about any route they choose being far more manuverable that sailing vessels, and at thirty knots out gunning nearly all traffic including shippping.

I have made hundreds of trips on power vessels (p/v) and they have traits that can be considered superior.

What aobut fuel docks? A well-stocked cruing yacht can sail non-stop round the globe, can a power vesssel to this? How about California to Hawaii?
Sailboats are inherently more seaworth than p/v with keel and built from stem to stern for strenghth, stabilty, and function as opposed to mainly comfprt in a p/v. Sure, there are exceptions like a "Nordic Tug" and others but you'd better be a multi-muti-millionaire before shopping for one of these fine craft.

We shold all treat each others views with respect, and LEARN from one another.
Jon Donne said it best:

"No man is an island entire by itself....anyman's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

We are all in the same boat mates....
 
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Mike

Power & Sail

Power and Sail - I just wanted to say. FU, you little biatch, i hope i meet you on the high seas some day. I am sure your in a cute little sail boat with a 4HP Long Shaft Briggs and Straton Motor, I'll be the A Hole in the Cabo throwing you the 6 foot wake! Don't spill your spritzer. Who the F do you think your talking to? Don't quote scripture to me you little weasel. My record speaks for itself, i make early and obvious what my intentions are so if the other guy is oblivious to what's going on i can live to sail another day. You keep shoving your right of way down everyone's throat and you too will be a victim someday. You ignorant little cyber tough guy. Tell me when and where and i'll be there!
 
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Ross

Mike, Does your mother know that you talk like

this. Shame on you. Time to vacate the gene pool.
 
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Mike

Apology Time

The blowboaters started it - get numbnuts to apologize for being a retard and we can go back to being civil
 
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Ross

Mike I have a proposal for you. You stop with

the inflammatory names for people you don't know or understand and we will find a way to accommodate people who believe it is perfectly normal to go boating and use 20 gallons of gasoline in an hour.
 
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Bill W.

wow

Whenever someone does not know the COLREGS they resort to name calling. It's a defense mechanism for an insecurity complex or SDI (small dick itus). This moron is still calling it right of way and could not even quote the one rule where it is actually called a right of way.

If he really wants to show us how tough he is he'd post the name if his vessel and hailing port. Mark my words he won't.

Get a real sport fishing boat you might as well own a Luhrs or Bayliner. Cabo's are junk!
 
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CharlieCobra

I'm guessing Mike either didn't have a good time

this last weekend, didn't get any or both. Dude, the only one up here trying to be an internet tough guy is YOU! Re read your posts to see who started slinging insults first on this thread. Damn! I was hoping this thread was finally dead.
 
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You Realy Dont want to know

What a bunch of Pompus Shtheads

I am still laughing at your post, buy a luhrs or a bayliner? Are you serious, enjoy your blowboat. You guys crack me up, you all start with the name calling then get on me for retaliating. Let me answer your 3 paragraphs.

"Whenever someone does not know the COLREGS they resort to name calling. It's a defense mechanism for an insecurity complex or SDI (small dick itus). This moron is still calling it right of way and could not even quote the one rule where it is actually called a right of way."
Answer - your ugly ass wife said my dick was to big, so i guess yours is smaller than mine. By the way, tell her to lose a few pounds!

"If he really wants to show us how tough he is he'd post the name if his vessel and hailing port. Mark my words he won't."
Answer - You first tough guy

Get a real sport fishing boat you might as well own a Luhrs or Bayliner. Cabo's are junk!
Answer - This shows your true ignorance when it comes to boats, you really have no clue do you.
 
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