Exporting a Pre owned Mac 26 to NZ

[Archie23057]

Hi there,I'm considering a buying a pre-owned (Stupid word, it's second-hand!)Mac26m from one of you magnificent people in America and exporting it to New Zealand. Does anyone out there have any experience of such a venture.There are very few Macs out here and the scarcity is reflected in the silly prices that are being asked for them. Many of the harbours here have treacherous bars and a yacht that can motor ahead of the swell and breakers would be a definite benefit, hence my desire for a Mac.Any help or advice would be very welcome.Being a former British Royal Marine Commando I thought I'd name my new boat with the Corps Motto, "Per Mare, Per Terram" "By sea, By land", how appropriate is that for a trailer sailer?Semper Fi to all you US Marines over thereregards Archie. RM retired.

 

[bruce cornell]

shipping

any exporter/shipper should be able to answer your question, check ads in sail mag and others if nothing in yellow pages. check any coastal city with a harbors' yellow pages.

 

[been there done that]

scam

You're probably going to have a lot of trouble. I've had similar requests and they are simply attempts to rue poeple out of their money. The plan is simple, you send me a check and I immediately send you my bank info before I receive the check. Then i find you've taken my money and your check is no good. Happens everyday here and around the world. Only way to stop this is to keep letting everyone know about the scam.If you're honest then I'm guessing there are plenty of really nice boats in New Zealand. I suspect you're in Africa or the Bahamas where most of these scams originate. Places where deportation is not part of your law for these crimes.Be aware people, this is a big topic for most of us. Look it up on the net.

 

[Archie23057]

Been there done that, I resent your accusation!

This is a genuine request. I have no intention of ripping you or anybody else off. My location is indeed New Zealand, I can be contacted here via email or by phone on 0064 9431 2779.I would appreciate any information from genuine respondents who are interested in selling me a good, late, 26m.There are currently only 3 macs for sale in NZ 1 is a 26x at NZ$49000 and 2 are mac 19sI hope this allays your fears and that anyone who is interested in doing a deal will contact me,RegardsSteve.P.S. Bruce, thanks for the comments re shipping, I've made some inquiries and it's still reasonably affordable to buy a Mac in the US and ship it to NZ. Even with the import taxes and shipping I can still get much better value this way rather than buying locally.P.P.S. Been Nowhere Done Nothing, when did you see an African Scam email written in decent English? Usually they go something like; "Hello sir, I am being Vincent Mgugudodo of the African cash liberation and oil explorationising (Sorry that's a Bushism)company" etc.

 

[Ad]

Shipping 26M to New Zealand.

Hi Archie,Greetings from a kiwi 26M boat-owner, living in San Francisco.Boy that "been there, done that" fella must have bad karma, attracting all those malicious scams from Africa!!We bought our boat new, late 2004, and will be bringing it with us when we return to NZ. at the end of 2005.A new 26m., fully optioned, will cost around US$32-35,000.A basic, bare boat retails about $20,000.I have not seen too many 26M's for sale on the second hand market here in the US. but I'm sure they will pop up .The Macgregor Home page www.macgregor26m.com has information and a contact shipper for exporting 26M's. (Sharp Marine). I don't know if they'd get involved in exporting/shipping a used boat.I have seen pictures of a 26M. emerging from a shipping container in New Zealand.The trailer's axle had been removed, and it was a real tight squeeze.It seems not all 40 foot containers are the same!I have yet to organize the shipping of our boat. I expect it may cost around US$6-7000.I am also expecting grief from NZ MAF. over the contents of the ballast tank. (Unseen bio organisms). I will write to them regarding this, as I don't want them cutting open my ballast tank just to have a look!!.As you can see, there are some headaches on the horizon. That probably explains the high cost in NZ.That said, the 26M is a good "all round" boat, ideal for NZ. We're looking forward to having it there, and think the headaches will be worth it.Good luck.........Ad.

 

[Archie23057]

thanks for a paranoia free reply

Hi AdThanks for the positive feedback. It's only an idea at this stage but I'd be very interested to stay in touch and find out how you get on with the MAFia and so on.As for our friend "been there", I've simmered down a little since writing to him although I think he should postpone his Lord of the Rings holiday in case he runs into an angry uk somewhere north of Auckland.I'm off to Oz for the winter and hope to be buying my new or secondhand boat around September so I'll be scanning the pages here to keep abreast of the situation.There's another Kiwi based guy here thinking of the same thing so we may even share a container, apparently Macs are shipped 2 to a container.As for MAF they'll probably just charge you a fee, fumigate the container and that'll be that. It's a little ridiculous as marine bio organisms are carried by all migratory creatures, whales, seals, turtles, sharks etc. Ho hum they work in mysterious waysbye for now from GodzoneArchie

 

[Steve Paul]

Sorry to jump to conclusions

Archie, sorry to upset you but to be clear I was contacted by the FBI here in regards to one purchase attempt. Seems this fellow (claiming to be from NZ) is on their list big time. He's taken thousands of dollars from unsuspecting fools here in the US. I frankly don't understand the economics of buying a boat in the US and shipping it to NZ but if that "floats your boat" then that's a good thing.Steve

 

[Archie23057]

Apology accepted

Thanks for that Steve.There certainly are some scams about. Personally I'm amazed how gullible some people can be. (Did you know there is no such word as gullible, look it up )They say "a fool and his money are easily parted", I don't know how they got together in the first place.The economics dictate that if I want a Mac and I do, the cost of a basic boat here is NZ$ 66375which equates to US$47252. Compare that with buying in the US at round US$20k. Shipping it to NZ at around US$7k and local taxes and duty of US$4k and all up, plus odds and sods like registration etc I'm looking at less than US$32k. The difference of US$15k makes a compeling argumement in my case. I could get a fully specced US boat and import it here privatley for less than I could buy a basic boat here. OK it's a bit of hassle but it seems worth it to me.regardsArchie

 

[Justin]

$$Mac

That's a lot of money for a Mac. It's all what you're used to I suppose. Good luck in your quest Archie.Semper Fi,Justin USMC(not active - we never say "Ex")BTW, I found "gullible" in the Webster dictionaryMain Entry: gull·ible Variant(s): also gull·ableFunction: adjective: easily duped or cheated

 

[Archie23057]

Gotcha

Sorry Justin, I've caught so many people with that gullible gag it's become second nature to see who is gullible enough to believe it, I apologise for my Schoolboy humour.Archie "Once a Marine, always a Marine"

 

[Steve Paul]

Holy Cow

Holy cow, I had no idea. Seems we need to starta flotilla heading your way.Regards,Steve

 

[Archie23057]

Holey cow means you're a bad shot where I come from!

So you see what I mean, if my maths is correct and that is by no means certain then it's still a good idea. "Now did they say "Fire for effect on Range 200 and bearing 300" or the other way round?"Archie

 

[STeve Paul]

We write "cow" on our cows

I think that's a riot. LOL, holy cow just means "wow" or "my God". Here in the States we paint "cow" on our cows. If we don't the deer hunters will mistake them for deer with no antlers. ;D A little off topic but what the heck. We're working on NZ and USA relations at this point. Come to Nashville, IN and I'll take you sailing. My treat.Steve

 

[Ad]

Cost of 26M to New Zealand.

Hi Archie,Yes a basic boat here costs around US$20,000.Now that is "BASIC". No motor, only the mainsail, not much else, nothing, no frills etc etc.That's why I expect my fully optioned boat to cost close to US$35,000Based on that, plus customs shipping MAFia, etc. you will soon be over NZ$60,000 landed in NZ. again, depending on all the options.This explains the price of Macgregors you have seen for sale on the NZ market.Hope this doesn't burst your bubble.Have fun in Oz.Cheers.......Ad

 

[Archie23057]

Bubble not burst, yet!

Thanks for that Adthe price for a basic boat here is NZ59k plus Gst coming to NZ$63k Ex Christchurch, Then add in the 16 hours of towing, at least 2 nights accomodation and a ferry crossing to get to my neck of the woods. For that money you still have no motor, portakarzi, Bimini, fuel tanks, fish finder or radio so a well specced 26m from your side of the pond would still beat a basic boat hands down in the value stakes.In the kiwi boats defence it is better than bare. It has a jib with roller furling, bilge pump, swim ladder, cockpit cushions, keel guard, boomvang, mast raising system, nav lights, stove and most cushions and stuff. and a few other odds and sodsI'll keep thinking about it and hopefully it'll work out. I really don't want to end up paying more than I have to, they say only mugs pay retail and I haven't paid retail in many a long yearAnyway it's off to Oz in 3 weeks to build a new house in the rain forest near Ravenshoe. It's inland from Cairns and up 1,000 metres where the air is cool and the beer is cooler, never a dull moment......regardsArchie

 

[Archie23057]

Thread Hijacking is my speciality Steve

Painting cows eh Steve. There must be a therapist who deals in that specific area, I'm sure you can get counselling for it. Most New Zealanders are sheep men if you know what I meanOddly enough I'm surrounded by dairy farms here and all that mooing is enough to make you reach for the high velocity hole making equipment.Seriously, I'm glad we've kissed and made up, consider it our part for Anglo US detente. Now if Bush and his pet poodle Mr Blair can just stop shooting everything that moves we might make a better world. Next time I'm in Indiana I'll stop in and say Hello.On another tack altogether, heading into hijacking territory, does anyone actually believe Michael Jackson can get a fair and unbiased trial? No, me neither!

 

[Justin]

No need

No need to apologize Archie. It was April Fool's day here (Is that celebrated down-under?) when I read it, so I played along.My wife and I have wanted to see New Zealand ever since we saw (countless times)the LOTR trilogy. I hope you don't get the stigma we in Kansas do with Dorothy and Toto in the land of Oz. Although yours would be a much more positive portrayal. Semper Fi,Justin

 

[Steve Paul]

Nervous

Archie, all this talk of sheep and kissing is making me nervous.Seriously, where is your boating in NZ other than on the ocean? I'll get out my map and see if you have good lakes or bays.Steve

 

[Archie23057]

NZ, where men are men and sheep are anxious.

Steve NZ is a boating mecca. Click the link at the foot of this post. The choice is vast. In my particular area, I live near Kaiwaka, it's the narrowest part of the North Island. The road past my house was an old canoe portage road from Maori times, Kaiwaka means food canoe or canoe eater, depending on the dialect used. The Waka part is always canoe. So it is that I am 10 minutes drive from the Pacific Ocean to the East. Once there we have some great sailing, fishing and diving areas. To the West a ten minutes drive gets me into the Kaipara harbour. Kaipara is a huge shallow water harbour, one of, if not the biggest, in the southern hemisphere. It opens out, via a bar that has sunk many a fine ship in to the Tasman Sea, then it's due west to Southern Africa or NNW to Tasmania and Australia.2 hours drive north of here is the Bay of Islands where the first white settlers landed and stayed. It is beautiful, if a bit touristy by NZ standards. There is some great lake boating south of here at Rotorua, Taupo and Tarawera to name just a few. Oh and if you want to rub shoulders with the sailing Aristocracy (and why would you?)then there is Auckland's Waitemata Harbour and the Hauraki Gulf. It's the place to be seen and if you are a Kiwi it's the place to gloriouly win the Americas Cup and then ignominiously lose it next time round.Apart from that the sailing is crap round hereNote to NZ tourism, I'll be taking my commision in the usual way.

 

[Archie23057]

Lord of the rings and things

JustinThe LOTR thing is getting very popular here but don't worry it won't ever become a Disneyesque sideshow, I hope. Incidentally Euro-Disney is so unpopular in Europe that it's becoming known as Euro-Dismal.Back to LOTR. It's a great reason to visit here but in truth, as my brother in law said when he visited last year, "What is there to dislike here?" That about sums it up really, clean air, few crowds, laid back lifestyle, friendly people, decent weather. As you will gather, I'm a fan. The winters, June to August particularly, can get a bit cold and damp but nothing by your standards. I'm in Oz for the winters from late April to late October so it's not my problemAs for my little joke the other day, we Royal Marines call it a "Bite". You dangle the bait and wave it around and eventually someone will bite. At times the biter gets bitten which is all part of the sport of it. A sort of verbal practical joke unlike the real practical jokes we pull.Once when doing a recruiting show at a local town fair the team were due to Abseil (rappel you'd call it) in from a Helo and do a mock assault in the arena, lots of noise, smoke, the usual shit. The team decided to have a laugh. As the show started the helo arrived, went into a hover and they threw a dummy dressed in full Cammo etc out of the Helo and it crashed to the ground some 100 feet below. Sadly someone in the crowd had a heart attack and heads rolled on the recruiting team. Still a good gag though, military humour, don'tcha just love it.