exhaust siphon protection

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Laurent Hendrichs

I have a Catalina 27 (1974) with an inboard Atomic 4. The more I think about it, the more I am convinced the exhaust system is ill-designed. I am not quite sure if that design is specific to my boat or if it is the way all Catalinas 27 are set up. I have a hot exhaust elbow, connected to the manifold. Cooling water is injected at the outlet of the elbow, a few inches before the elbow is connected to the hose. The elbow is approximately 10" below the cockpit sole, which is very low. At cruising speed water rises on the transom to a height approximately 10" above the exhaust hole, which is very high. I noticed a few times that the engine would not start after an extended period of cruising under following seas. I realized that I could have a siphoning problem. Under a wave bigger than usual, water would make its way through the exhaust hose, pass the elbow and "drop" into the manifold! I considered several options: 1) Adding a check valve just after the elbow. I am very skeptical though as to the water tightness of such a valve. I think they work well under sudden back pressure but not under constant load such as in the case of following seas. In other words, if you pour water in the "ouptut" side of a check valve, I think water will go through! Does anyone have experience with check valves? 2) Adding a normal valve: the problem with that is the accessibility. Unless you keep the port lazarette empty, closing and opening that valve will be a major pain. Ideally, it should be placed close t the transom but there again, access is impossible. Due to the "wet" lazarette design, I can not cut a hole through the bottom of the transom lazarette. This, by the way, also makes changing the exhaust hose close to impossible. Another problem of a valve is the risk of filling the engine with water if you crank it when the valve is closed. Last but not least, a valve make it absolutely necessary to add an anti-siphon break on the host between the manifold and the ouptput of the elbow. Otherwise, when the boat is heeled to port, water could siphone trough the block, fill the exhaust above the valve until water reaches the top of the elbow and fills the manifold. How are other Catalina 27 exhausts designed??? People who take their boat in seas larger than 4 feet must have had a similar problem and solved it... Anybody has an idea? Thanks and enjoy the rest of the season! Laurent
 
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Dave Ullrich

How about an anti-siphon loop?

I have a Cat 30, but the same priciple should apply. There should be a pice of "hose" between the elbo and the muffler or between the muffler. Right? If you put a longer hose in the shape of a loop pointing up, this SHOULD function as an anti-siphon loop. Just kae sure the highest point of the loop is higher than the highest point the water will get....
 
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GARRY @ S/V TASHTEGO

Loop

You can buy an antisiphon loop for the A4 from Don Moyer. See www.moyermarine.com
 
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Tom Soko

Aqua-Lift Muffler?

One thing you did not mention in your question was an aqua-lift muffler. In earlier Catalinas this was a fiberglass 'box' about 12x12x6 with two exhaust hose connections on the top. These are specifically designed and installed to keep exhaust water from backing up into the engine. If you don't have one, you should!
 
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MoeMac

Loop de loop

Aloha, I also have a 1974 Catalina with an atomic 4. I had the same problem. The engine wouldn't start after sailing. The rubber exhaust hose was below the water line and causing water to back up. I replaced the hose and put a bend in middle higher then the water line. I haven't had any problems since. Good luck. Moebetta C-27
 
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Rob Rich

Refitting Exhaust

I have a C-27 that has had the exhaust piping replaced, so that it comes up from the transom, makes a 90 degree turn straight up, runs along under and paralell to the floor of the cockpit, and then pack down to the engine. I have yet to have a problem caused by backflow into the engine, but I also sail on a smaller lake, and following seas are not that big a problem. The exhaust design seems interesting though - worth a thought. Good Luck - Rob Rich
 
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Dave

Exhaust

I have been reviewing this article for a couple of days and need to get into the comments, only because I have a Cat 27 (A-4 Engine) with what I consider a questionable exhaust. My situation is that I have a fresh water heat exchanger in the system. I am not sure how many folks have this set up. In my case the hot dry exhaust leaves the engine and goes thru an upside "U". On the far side of the U is a 6 in. drop. Above the drop the exhaust leads aft via rubber piping. Just prior to where the pipe joins the rubber piping there is a water inlet that takes the return water from the heat exchanger and injects it into the exhaust stream, thus cooling it. The entire set up looks shakey to me, but seems to work with the upside down U keeping any siphoning action from taking place. If anyone has any views on this set up please let me know at email: carnespd@gci.net I am considering putting an aqua lift into the system, but from what I can tell these work only for true "raw water cooling" and would probably have no benefit to my situation. Comments?????????
 
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