Making a decesion on a generator and was wondering if it is of benefit to upgrade to a eu3000 unit. I know it is a general difficult to answer
Eu2000i / Eu3000i
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question But in general what is the thinking for those out there that have done this.Any advise would help
Thanks
Gary
Thanks
Gary
We really need more information....
*What will it be used for?
*How will you deal with storage?
*Where will it be run?
*C02?
*What size battery charger?
*To run air conditioning?
*What other steps have you taken to avoid needing a generator?
*Battery bank?
*Daily Ah consumption?
*Avg propulsion motor run time per day?
The EU3000 is a LOT bigger than the EU2000 and weighs almost 90 pounds
more....
*What will it be used for?
*How will you deal with storage?
*Where will it be run?
*C02?
*What size battery charger?
*To run air conditioning?
*What other steps have you taken to avoid needing a generator?
*Battery bank?
*Daily Ah consumption?
*Avg propulsion motor run time per day?
The EU3000 is a LOT bigger than the EU2000 and weighs almost 90 pounds
more....
If you're using ot to charge batteries you have to worry more about the size of your battery charger. I have used a EU2000i to charge my bank and have seen it put out 90 amps. I have a 100 amp charger. The 3000 is too big and heavy, the 1000 not enough power.
Been there done that. Years back we downsized from a Honda 3000 to the more manageable Honda 2000. We originally installed the 3000 in the swim platform of an 320 but it would take two men to raise and lower into the boat. It was nice because it powered A/C at a low throttle setting with other components running simultaneously. We did find the weather protection of the 3000 was inferior to the 2000. We leave that 2000 running in the rain and it don't skip a beat as the 3000 was prone to getting water in the fuel tank and sputtering when wet. Because of the bulk we only took the 3000 when in a long trip but the portability of the 2000 allows us to even take it on day sails if we wanted to. Obviously the 2000 puts out less power so you have to be more energy conscious of the loads you apply. (In order to run the coffee maker you have to shut off the A/C.) Gasoline fumes much like propane are heavier than air so even if someone had the space to leave a Honda 3000 inside the cabin it would not be a good safe idea. We downsized and for us it was the best decision, I don't mind the pull cord starter as opposed to the battery powered electric starter. The 3000 had a larger gas tank with a longer running time but we have added a 3.5 gallon external tank to our 2000 so we don't miss that feature. Noise wise they sound about the same to me. If we needed more power I would seriously consider running a second 2000 in parallel for a total of 4000 watts instead of going back to the 3000. Perhaps if you would be willing to surrender some deck space and design and fabricate some enclosure you might be able to use a 3000 but last and least you would loose portability. We can switch boats and conveniently carry our 2000 with us.
1+ for MainSail's questions.
2 very different genny's.
eu1000 vs eu2000 is much easier decision.
the 3000 gets a much larger footprint and weight. (PITA to move around).
most that need more power and are cruising would get 2) eu2000's for ease of storage...
2 very different genny's.
eu1000 vs eu2000 is much easier decision.
the 3000 gets a much larger footprint and weight. (PITA to move around).
most that need more power and are cruising would get 2) eu2000's for ease of storage...
Make sure to check the RATED CONTINUOUS output. I think the 2000 is about 1400 watts. Definitely not 2000.
Most cruising boats have the 2000 or have a 4k or higher diesel genset.
Most cruising boats have the 2000 or have a 4k or higher diesel genset.
I own both units: the honda 2000 and the 3000. We use the 2000 on our bavaria 40 ocean cc solely for a/c when the NJ summer heat becomes unbearable. It sits on our back deck aft of all open windows. It works well for what we use it for. It is still heavy. We keep it in the cockpit lashed to the pedestal. Last year we didn't even put the 2000i on the boat. It just worked out that way.
The honda 3000 is another story and a different animal. I wouldn't dream of putting that beast on the boat. We use it to charge a home solar battery bank when the weather doesn't cooperate for extended periods. It is extremely heavy and a much different power plant than the suitcase 2000i. An excellent generator just not boat friendly in my opinion. You also need at least 2 people to lift or move the 3000.
I think mainsails questions will get the group closer to answering your questions.
The honda 3000 is another story and a different animal. I wouldn't dream of putting that beast on the boat. We use it to charge a home solar battery bank when the weather doesn't cooperate for extended periods. It is extremely heavy and a much different power plant than the suitcase 2000i. An excellent generator just not boat friendly in my opinion. You also need at least 2 people to lift or move the 3000.
I think mainsails questions will get the group closer to answering your questions.
Weight alone would make me rein in my power consumption to make sure a 3000 was not necessary. I feel naked going on a trip without our 2000, it is a wonderful thing to have on board. I screwed the pooch and ran too many things one night and my starter on the diesel sounded sluggish on the first crank......I did not even try to turn it over, just shut everything down and ran the genny for an hour. Engine cranked fine. I think that is the only time I ever really needed it. It sure is damn nice to have on the boat.
We have a 13,000 btu central heat and air (Aiiiiiir unit) that the eu2000 will not handle. I installed a new 9,000 btu upright unit in the galley that we can run easily with the Honda. We usually run it after nightfall when we are anchored by ourself to cool down the boat for a couple hours and then shut everything down and use the wind sock.
We have a 13,000 btu central heat and air (Aiiiiiir unit) that the eu2000 will not handle. I installed a new 9,000 btu upright unit in the galley that we can run easily with the Honda. We usually run it after nightfall when we are anchored by ourself to cool down the boat for a couple hours and then shut everything down and use the wind sock.
Thanks for the replies
Benny17441 your answer was exactly what I was looking for. Seeing that the 3000 weighs in at 78lbs and was wondering if it was to big and bulky to bring on a boat.
Should be able to manage with a 2000, maybe it would be nice to have that extra power once in a while but not at the cost of weight and space.
If anyone has some good points of the 3000 I would like to hear them
Gary
Benny17441 your answer was exactly what I was looking for. Seeing that the 3000 weighs in at 78lbs and was wondering if it was to big and bulky to bring on a boat.
Should be able to manage with a 2000, maybe it would be nice to have that extra power once in a while but not at the cost of weight and space.
If anyone has some good points of the 3000 I would like to hear them
Gary
Bigger if you can fit it
I have a Yamaha 3000 that I mounted in the transom locker on my B46. I fabricated a drawer system that slides out for operating the generator. I use it to power my reverse cycle A/C, not battery charging or other AC devices. I use a 3000w inverter for those loads.
I went with the 3000 because it easily handles the start-up load without a soft start capacitor. It has a longer run time due to the larger fuel tank. I got it for a very good price.
Pics are in this thread. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?p=1047579&highlight=generator
I do not run the unit overnight. I cool down the aft cabin, shut down the generator, sleep soundly w/o fear of CO. I have CO alarms in every cabin.
I am very pleased with the results.
I have a Yamaha 3000 that I mounted in the transom locker on my B46. I fabricated a drawer system that slides out for operating the generator. I use it to power my reverse cycle A/C, not battery charging or other AC devices. I use a 3000w inverter for those loads.
I went with the 3000 because it easily handles the start-up load without a soft start capacitor. It has a longer run time due to the larger fuel tank. I got it for a very good price.
Pics are in this thread. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?p=1047579&highlight=generator
I do not run the unit overnight. I cool down the aft cabin, shut down the generator, sleep soundly w/o fear of CO. I have CO alarms in every cabin.
I am very pleased with the results.
It appears from this that you are charging via the inverter. Perhaps a mistatement?
*The 46 pounder is the EU2000i (1600W/13.3A/98.5cc motor).
*The 78 pounder is the EU3000i Handi (2600W/21.7A/163cc motor)
*The 134 pounder is the EU3000iS (2800W/23.3A/196cc motor)
Still 78 pounds dry is a HEAVY piece of equipment to be storing, banging around in rough seas and will weigh close to 90 pounds when full of fuel & oil..
Also none of these generators are intended for marine use. They are also not properly grounded for marine use as the ground at the "source" is floating with no neutral to ground bond.....
They will also not work with current ELCI main breakers as these look for neutral ground bonding. ELCI main breakers are the current safety standard...
thanks Maine...i misunderstood thinking that there was a 46 lb 3000 unite out there .....on the subject of ELCI main breakers....i have the old 3 pole single toggle main breaker in my panel that has a lock out feature that if you have reverse polarity it stays tripped till the reverse polarity fault is corrected is there much difference in that one and the ELCI..............sorry for hijacking the thread.........
regards
woody
regards
woody
An ELCI is a standard breaker but also a "leakage" breaker. To really dumb it down it is like a larger version of a GFCI but instead of tripping at 5mA of leakage it trips at 30mA of leakage.... It will trip when the white/neutral and black/hot wires have an imbalance of 30mA / 0.03A....
It is not what you have...