Equalizing batts when echo charger installed

Jan 25, 2011
2,436
S2 11.0A Anacortes, WA
The boat has four 6V batteries in two banks wired to a batt switch. Standard way of wiring back in the 70s. Several yrs ago, I added a 12V "start" battery through a switch schematically hooked the common of the batt switch. Any battery can do anything. Fast fwd to "today" and I've come around to combining the 6V batts into one bank and adding an Echo Charge to charge the starting batt. One reason for doing this is I'm tired of all the electronics rebooting when the engine is started. So the start batt is going to be just that...My shore power charger is a Xantrex Truecharge 2 with three outputs. I'm going to reduce that to one output to the (combined) house bank and the Echo Charge to the starting batt. I call it a start batt cuz that's what its only going to do under normal conditions. Now the question. How would the start batt get equalized? I think the Echo Charger would limit it. I could put the shore power charger wire back to the start batt. Then the shore power charger and Echo Charger could be at odds...and can the output of the Echo Charger withstand equalize voltages?
 
Jan 30, 2012
1,140
Nor'Sea 27 "Kiwanda" Portland/ Anacortes
Mark

The echo charge limits its output to 14.4 volts - even if the input is greater. If you think the start battery needs equalization you would need to put the charge source direct to the start battery and separately to the house group.

Not a bad idea to equalize separately anyway - from a safety and control viewpoint.

Here is the manual

Charles
 

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Feb 26, 2004
22,995
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Put your 1-2-B switch on BOTH, then equalize. This assumes that you have what I would describe as a standard electrical design: alternator output to the house bank and the 1-2-B switch is a use switch only.

I haven't bothered equalizing my start bank ever.
 
Jan 25, 2011
2,436
S2 11.0A Anacortes, WA
The "use" switches...why didnt I think of that? I guess i was stuck on the charging side of things. And the thought of not equalizing the start batt did occur to me....
 
Nov 13, 2013
723
Catalina 34 Tacoma
Equalizing is for similar batteries. Your start battery is different than your house so you don't need to equalize.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
We do this with variable power supplies at 6V (nominal) in parallel. If doing this with 12V equipment, Charge the four 6V bank to 100% SOC. Attaining a true 100% SOC may take rebooting the charger a few times or floating for multiple days, especially if they are sulfated. Make sure current flowing into the batteries at absorption voltage falls below 1% of Ah capacity or less than about 4A @ 14.4V - 14.8V depending upon your batteries specification.

Now break the bank into two sets of 6V pairs and allow the batteries to rest for 24 or more hours and make darn sure each six volt battery is at an equal voltage. If they are more than about .05V apart you will want to balance them in parallel and charge to 100% SoC. Now you can equalize the pairs individually. I am not a fan of using a "smart charger" to do this and much prefer a variable voltage & current power supply where current can also be limited to the point where the batteries can just barely attain the desired equalizing voltage.

A safer way is to equalize them is to do them individually and only a variable power supply would allow for this. This is considerably safer, especially in the event of an internal shorted cell, which can happen during equalization especially to unhealthy batteries or batteries that are no longer in balance, which can happen with series wired banks..

The start battery does not likely need an EQ but check the SG and it will tell you if any cells are out of balance.

#1 Parallel balance charge them if necessary. Fully charge the batteries. Only equalize a battery after it has been fully charged.

#2 Disconnect DC loads.

#3 If you need to add water only add water to a fully charged battery. If plates are exposed you can add water before charging but it plates are exposed this usually means the batteries have been abused and are on their last legs.

#4 Check SG before equalizing to ensure the batteries SG readings are within a safe spread range to continue. Any cell reading more than 0.50 different than another cell means the battery is shot. Do not equalize this battery.

#5 Bring voltage to desired EQ range and make sure it is temp corrected. Equalize at the lowest possible current that will attain the desired EQ voltage. This creates a safer EQ event should the battery fail during EQing. *If you use hydrocaps they need to be removed for equalizing.

#6 Check SG every hour, temp corrected, and when it stops rising you can technically stop equalizing. Stopping here however does not mean you have removed all the sulfation that is removable or re-convertible, it just means the cells are now balanced. Often 2 - 6+ hours may be necessary to gain all that you can gain from an EQ session. Sometimes two 4 hours sessions a few weeks apart is better than one 8 hour session.

#7 If you are properly charging your golf cart batteries at 14.7V to 14.8V then the need for EQ is less. Critical times to EQ are fall, before winter layup and again in the spring.
 
Jan 25, 2011
2,436
S2 11.0A Anacortes, WA
A good variable power supply would be nice, along with a good Tek O-scope, HP spectrum analyzer, and you get the idea...there really is no winter layup here (except for the snowbirds). So, i do tend to EQ fall and spring but let the Truecharge 2 do it and in the boat with good ventilation and monitoring on my part. The batts live on float V in the slip. Alternator is a series six with a 614 regulator. So, the batts have been well treated but they are five yrs old. This is mostly preventive so i dont have to try "massive" EQ sometime down the road. On one of my trips to Seattle, I stopped by Dyno and discussed EQ. Their eyes sort of glassed over and they said to just use them "properly"....

What power supply do you use?
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
What power supply do you use?
We have some VOLTEQ models by Mastech, but mostly use our 60A BK Precision units. The BK's are far too pricey just for occasional EQ use.

I have one I sell to my customers, that I buy through one of my wholesalers, but Amazon has similar models. Just search "variable power supply 10A X 30V" and you'll find plenty of them. With these cheaper Chinese models it is important to make better quality charging leads and to set your desired voltage limit into a Zero amp load or a 0.2A or less load such as an LED bulb before connecting it to the battery bank.