Engineless Sailing

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May 20, 2004
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C&C 26 Ghost Lake, Alberta
I've rented J80's (26 ft) from JWorld in Mexico and San Francisco.
None of their boats have motors.
You're expected to sail out of and into the slip.
First couple of times you pay attention, but it's good practice if you ever need to do it in your own boat!
sam :)
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Re: Engineless Sailing. . .

I've sailed into my slip/dock before and it certainly gives one a sense of accomplishment, but I do like having an aux. sometimes it is nice to get there for dinner.l
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I've sailed into my slip/dock before and it certainly gives one a sense of accomplishment,...
I have, too. I submit that it may be possible that many may not choose to sail into their own slips because of conditions as suggested in earlier post, but that all skippers should be able to sail into an available dock if (when?) something happens to their engine or prop.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Re: Engineless Sailing. . .

Conditions do have to be favorable to sail into a slip. If your slip faces north and you have south winds at 30 knots it is going to be quite the accomplishment to sail in with many slips unless you have a post that is aft of your stern when berthed.
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
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Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
when we had some engine trouble we were forced to and it turned out to be one of our most satisfying accomplishments so far. We came in like we did it every day, but no one was around to see such perfection!! Oh well, we'll never forget.

I agree that everyone should do it so that when it becomes a necessity you know you can do it but I also think its prudent to not put others in a compromised position just so you can sail in.... if there are narrow fingers and blind turns it seems a bit thoughtless. Or it could be plain envy that I wouldn't/couldn't do it!!:redface:
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Re: Engineless Sailing. . .

My point was that it doesn't always have to be your own slip.
 
May 23, 2004
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I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
Re: Engineless Sailing. . .

I like to remind a few of my power boating friends when they give me crap about my boat:

A sailboat without an engine is still a sailboat. A power boat without an engine is adrift.
 
May 24, 2004
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CC 30 South Florida
It may depend on the type of sailing but for daysailors and weekend cruisers I think it is a necessity. There is more traffic and peple are keeping tighter schedules and have more demands on their time. It is still quite possible to be a full time cruiser in an engineless boat as leaving and approaching port is very small part of the trip. Also things change, in past times a boat could approach a harbor and lay in wait for a courtesy or friendly tow, nowdays you would have to pay a tow boat and it is cheaper and more convenient to own your own engine. Don't have much repect for those that actively advocate sailing with no engine for tradition but are quite content to sail a fiberglass boat. I'm fine with those that do it for personal preferences and don't preach about it.
 
May 25, 2004
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Hunter 260 Pepin, WI
I grew up on boats without motors. The largest was a 45' yawl. I know I have the skill to reach my slip under sail. I also know that with the right choice of sails and dumping the wind to control the speed, this can be done under most conditions.

My marina contract strictly forbids this except in an emergency.

Once out of the marina I shut down the motor and use only sail. This includes dropping and weighing anchor.

The real value in having a motor is when the wind dies. Unlike sailors of old, we can keep to the schedules of our modern, complex, lives.
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
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Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
Stu Jackson said:
My point was that it doesn't always have to be your own slip.
I totally agree with this, good point!
 
Aug 9, 2010
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Morgan 42.2 Hampton, VA
Both sail docking knowledge & engine necessary

If you own a sailboat it is quite helpful to know how to dock a boat by sail. Practice makes perfect. You'll need this skill when the engine doesnt work if you expect to tie up.

The engine is necessary on displacement boats for 2 good reasons. 1. When the wind is gone and you are sitting out in 100+ degree heat and 2. when you loose a crewmember overboard in winter's 40 degree water, time is critical. Relying only on your sailing ability in this emergency is a risky proposition. I would suggest you need an engine.
 

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Oct 24, 2011
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Westsail 32 Racine, WI
Also things change, in past times a boat could approach a harbor and lay in wait for a courtesy or friendly tow, nowdays you would have to pay a tow boat and it is cheaper and more convenient to own your own engine.
I'm not sure it would be any cheaper to own an engine. Think quickly of the cost of the maintenance, and then think of the costs of running. An auxilary engine on a sailboat may not run often, but it does run and there is a consequence of spent fuel and maintenance. Re-powering could set someone back well over 7k. What about the space taken up by the engine? There is so much room for activities there and/or storing infrequently used gear. Paying for a tow once in a while seems that it could be cheaper. However, I agree that the engine keeps a schedule, and this is the most powerful argument for them. With a busy life and strict schedule most sailors would not get out without an engine. When in dire straights, can one safely sail to their desination? I think so with the right amount of skill and patience, and from the responses it appears that most can.

T.
 
Mar 26, 2012
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Macgregor 26M Cave Run Lake (KY)
Where is the line that distinguishes a small boat from a large boat? And for others, I am talking about owning a boat without and engine onboard. Don't get me wrong my boat has one, but I am still curious. It is great to hear of sailors sailing without them, but still have them aboard. Can not having an engine encourage more prudent seamanship? Costs vs. benefits of not having one, and opinions with regards to safety as well? Men to your battle stations, give me everything. Throw the book at me, I do not mind.

T.
I've read that 26.5 ft and above fit the yachting class of pleasure craft. Personally, I think small boats are up to 23 ft or so.
Of course any boat that the skipper can't handle responsibly is too large a boat for him (or her). Some rowboats and canoes fit that catagory!
Good trade winds to you!
 
Jun 18, 2004
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Jeanneau Sunshine 36 Sarasota
When in dire straights, can one safely sail to their desination? I think so with the right amount of skill and patience, and from the responses it appears that most can.

T.
When in dire staights it may sometimes be more prudent to sail away from the destination and wait for better weather to attempt a passage across a treacherous shoal. Many of the passes here in Southwest Florida are impassable except in the best of conditions. New Pass is currently very treacherous with a newly shipwrecked SV stuck on the shoal. Stump Pass and Big Sarasota Pass require Local Knowledge. Longboat Pass is OK but scary when the wind and seas are up. Venice Pass is navigable in almost any weather conditions but I've seen times when even Venice Pass is too dangerous. Further south is Boca Grande pass with shoals both north and south of the pass and very strong tidal currents.
Once, on a trip from Ft. Meyers to Sarasota the WX forecast changed from scattered local T-storms to a Tropical Storm warning within hours when a Low Pressure system suddenly went tropical. I was glad I had the aux power and set course immediately for the entrance to Venice Pass. Made it home just as the rain and wind caught up with me.

The prudent sailor keeps in mind all of the hazards that he / she might face. It is the skippers responsibility for the safety of the ship, crew and passengers. While single handing you may make the decision to put to sea without a aux engine but when the safety of your crew and passengers (loved ones,) comes into play, you may regret the decision to forego the aux power.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I challange anyone to sail into my slip! it requires entry from the west an immediate turn to the north and backing south into the slip next to the breakwater. There is fifty feet of open water between my slip and the next pier to the north.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I can sail back into my slip if need be, I definitely cannot sail out of it.

This is because of the arrangement of the slip, the winds, the fairway, etc.
 
Mar 13, 2011
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Seaward Fox 19 Lakeview, Ohio
There is ABSOLUTELY no way we could sail out of our slip. We have to use a motor. We have to back out of our slip, not hit the dock and island a few feet behind us and maneuver between the rest of the boats/docks and the island and round the island to head out to open water. Motor is a must! Avatar picture can give you an idea of what we are up against.
 
Sep 25, 2008
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CS 30 Toronto
The width between the fingers were 46 feet. My boat is 30 feet LOA. Need all the skill including prop walk to park this boat. With wind only, I won't be going home.
 

EmmaC

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Nov 16, 2009
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Hunter 33 Miami
While my husband and I can both, and have, sailed our boat on and off the dock, in Key West it is not possible to sail from Key West harbor to Garrison Bight when the tide is against you - the tide runs at up to 6 knots and the channel is approximately 20 feet wide there.

And in many harbors it is illegal to come in under sail unless it it an emergency - such as Chicago's city marinas. Having an engine to come into a slip is almost a necessity - give today's small tolerances and the way that marinas are set up to maximize the number of boats in them.

So while it is a very good skill - and should be learned - a motor is necessary once you get past 20 feet.
 
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