Engine Vibration

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John Bannister

I have for some time now been trying to track down a real nightmare of a problem as follows:- When the boat is under way under power, everything is fine. As soon as I throttle right back from say 1500 rpm to idling speed, as the engine gets down to idle it make a vibrating knocking sound for an instant before ticking over normally again. I have tried most things including watching the motor as the revs drop but so far have been unable to locate this knocking sound. Any thoughts on this ?? Another thing which I currnetly attributing to the growth on the prop/rudder is that when I turn the wheel hard over at wahtever revs, the noise and vibration increases dramitically until the boat is back on course (i.e rudder closer to midships). Any thoughts ??
 
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Pete

John and good vibratins

John you did not tell us what engine you had but one thought comes to mind to check the idle rpm's to make sure they are in manufactures range. try upping the idle speed you can always turn it back if it is not the problem. Sometimes the simple things get overlooked. Let us know what is the cure and cause when you have resolved it
 
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Patrick Neeley

engine knock going to idle

John, I agree with Pete. I had a couple of loud bangs when throttling back and finally noticed my idle speed was only about 400 to 500 RPM. I adjusted it to 750 according to the Yanmar spec (at least that is what I remember - check to make sure) and it throttles back very smoothly now. I think the bang was the engine trying to reverse it's direction. Couldn't be very good on the rods, rod bearings, and crankshaft.
 
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John Bannister

Engine knock

Firstly sorry. It is a Yanmar 3GM and I will most certainly check the idling speed. Thanks for the advice and Ill keep you posted John
 
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Kevin L. Woody

I think its the damper plate

Hello, Thanks for the note. My guess is that you have a damper plate, which is being compressed to its fullest amounts during the reduction of Rpm’s. The damper plate is the connection device, which is attached to the flywheel and accepts the transmission splined shaft. The purpose of the damper plate is two fold. First is to reduce the start up moment to the transmission gearing. Without the flexible damper plate your flywheel is rotating, you place the trans into gear, boom the gears have an instant impact and teeth are sheared off. With the damper in place it’s a gradual start up to the teeth (10 mille seconds verses 1 mille second) helping to remove the shock load to the crankshaft and transmission teeth. The second important function of the damper plate is to help reduce gear clatter/rattle. Because the flywheels on modern engines are less in weight, they do not produce much inertia to help in constantly rotating the transmission while it’s in gear. As you begin to reduce the Rpm’s to the engine the flywheel slows down but the propeller and it’s pitch, running gear, and speed of the vessel overcome the flywheels speed of rotation causing the damper to completely compress, completely decompress and so on and so on. The compress and decompress of the damper springs is a major source of vibration and noise in a vessel, which is almost always heard at the slow Rpm range of the motor and not at the higher rotation speeds. When placing adverse loads on the running gear like crash turns or following seas, which pick up the stern accelerate the vessel then decelerate the boat as it passes, can also cause major trans noise. The possible solution is to replace the present damper with a unit with a higher amount of deflection. (the amount of compression in a degrees before the transmission rotation tries to advance the engine) Your current damper, if brand new, may only have 3 degrees of deflection, where as a hi deflection unit may have 33 degrees. The older the damper gets the less deflection it will have. If it was my boat I would check that the shaft is not making contact to the stern tube and then let a transmission person hear the noise, which has experience with dampers and the noise they make. What you have described is very common problem in the workboat industry, which is often fixed by replacing the damper. They often run their diesels at very slow Rpm’s getting a ton of gear lash noise. Please feel free to call me if you do not understand what I have written. Of coarse all of this is my opinion and one of many. Hope this helps. Kevin
 
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