Electrical Nightmare

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Jul 7, 2009
218
Catalina 30 Mark I Stockton, Mo
Hello all:

I am having some trouble with my cabin light wiring in my 1976 C30 #173. I looked at the wiringdiagrams on catalina30.com, but there is some difference in what it is supposed to be and how it is wired. According to the diagrams, the wiring should be as follows, and I'm showing how my boat appears to be wired:

Catalina Wiring Diagram My Boat

Black Boat Ground Running Lights
Green Mast Ground Anchor Lights
Blue Cabin Lights Cabin Lights
White Anchor Lights Ground (Boat & Mast)
Yellow Bow Lights Spreader Lights
Orange Spreader Lights Not Installed
Red Running Lights Running Lights

When I was taking apart the old switch panels, I made note of where all of the different wires were landed, and that's where I came up with how mine was wired. I should add that when I originally looked at the boat, none of the lights worked. I assumed that it was because the battery was dead.

Another note: All of the cabin lights have a blue and white wire coming into each of the fixtures, which further bolsters my assumption that white is ground, but that doesn't match the diagram and the lights don't work. I'm sure that the blue wire is for the cabin lights...I verified that by testing it, but I don't get continuity through the white wire. I also tested the lights using the black wire for ground like the diagram shows, but that didn't work either. So now, I'm thinking that maybe my boat is wired differently than the diagram shows (I have no orange wire for the spreaders).

Has anyone ever seen this before? Any suggestions?

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

Mike
 
Jul 7, 2009
218
Catalina 30 Mark I Stockton, Mo
When I posted this it ran the descriptions of the wires together...if you read each line, decode it as follows: Wire color, how it is supposed to be by the diagram, and how my boat is wired. Hope this helps.
 
Mar 11, 2010
292
Catalina Tall Rig/ Fin Keel Deale, MD
Mike,

I'm assuming you've checked voltage at the cabin lights switch on your panel and it's OK, -you do have 12v going out the wire to the lights and, -the switch tested ok. I'm also assuming you've checked whether you have 12v at the first light fixture (closest one to that panel and the "cabin lights" switch) and you've found that you do not have 12v at the first light fixture. Lastly, I'm assuming that you have checked the bulbs... :D At this point, all assumptions given above, you physically have to trace the actual wires from Point "A" to Point "B" and find your break. Start at the panel and go to the first fixture or start at the first light fixture and trace to the panel. I use a LED headlamp AND a hand-held flashlight when I go wire hunting. You may have to nip off a wire tie from a wire bundle to physically follow the wire you're tracing back, you may pull on the wire to see the other end of it move a couple feet away, etc. It's all a part of the mission. Maybe it is a disconnected wire or something a P.O. changed from the factory. Who knows? The good news is you will find it, wire it up as it should be and you'll know a lot more about your boat! Good Luck!

Rob
 
Nov 5, 2014
73
lockley-newport 23 sarasota
start clean

after 35 years, maybe it's time to just forget it and rewire. that's what i did with #543 a couple of years ago. it's a bit of a pain, but it's possible some of the wires are corroded beyond reclamation, some are broken, some are just messed up. if the wires from the mast are correct and working, i'd suggest just working back from there. as for the cabin lights, the wires were buried when the boat was made so new marine-grade tinned wire led through chases would be best. there are photos of some nice surface installations on this site - check 'team 118's' post on the current 'galley renovation' thread.

when catalina was building boats in the early days, they were built for a price and some of the materials were not the best. as i recall, none of the original wiring was what would today be called 'marine grade'. this is just another reason to dump it all, bite the bullet and upgrade. in the end you will have fewer problems.
 
Jul 7, 2009
218
Catalina 30 Mark I Stockton, Mo
I checked the blue wire at the galley, and found it was good. The white wire (ground) did not check good. I strung another wire from the fixture to the negative side of the battery, and the light worked, so I'm assuming the ground is bad. The wire bundle goes up into the lamination of the boat, and it's not possible to physically see or chase the wires.

I suppose the best option would be to just run new wires. I bought a big spool of tinned duplex wire specifically for the job, so I may as well use it. I did notice that the old wire is not tinned, and it is pretty corroded. I'm moving the electrical panel from the aft part of the galley to the nav station anyway, so I suppose it would be best to just start fresh.

Any suggestions on how to run the wires? I suppose I could just use that white conduit stuff you buy at Home Depot. I have seen some who make chases out of wood and stuff...maybe I'll try that.
 
Mar 11, 2010
292
Catalina Tall Rig/ Fin Keel Deale, MD
I saw your album. You and Joe are right to go new, you don't just need to fix a lighting problem...IMHO, Step #1 is buy Nigel Calder’s “Boatowner’s Mechanical and Electrical Manual: How to Maintain, Repair and Improve Your Boat’s Essential Systems”. Awesome book, invaluable for whatever you're working on. I can't recommend it any higher and it goes into real detail on the electrical. After you plan out your wiring runs to the various loads, you'll find they'll run together to certain common locations. I use the corrogated/ flexible PVC conduit tubing that is split open to protect the bundles. Easy to put on after laying out the wire, you then have the ability to cut a section to length, change to a different size based on the number of wires to be put in it and also, later get into it to add or trace wires in the future.

Rob
 
Jul 7, 2009
218
Catalina 30 Mark I Stockton, Mo
I gave in and started fresh. I bought some duplex marine grade wire and started all of the runs from the new electrical panel at the nav station. I hid the wires behind the ribs that run the length of the boat (under the walkways on each side) using sticky pad zip tie mounts, and tied them all up out of sight. I now have cabin lights (6 of them, LED's no less!), running lights, stereo!! I can see at night and listen to music too! I still have to re-wire the engine and install the new engine panel, but at least I'm on the way.
 
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