Electric dinghy engines

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Jun 29, 2010
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Beneteau Oceanis 400 Baltimore
I generally agree with the pros and cons in the post above but have some additions. The pros of electric outboards are well covered.

Some additional cons of electric: Many people have fire concerns related to lithium batteries (especially non-LiFeP04 lithium). If you are planning to recharge aboard, you may have to upgrade your battery bank and/or charging systems to provide the additional power to meet the need. Most of the electric outboard batteries are proprietary. Not clear what happens if they move on to a new model/format in a few years and your original battery is at the end of its life. Will they continue supporting legacy models with replacement batteries? Additional batteries are eye poppingly expensive. If you want to swap among two or more batteries to have extra capacity it significantly ups the cost of going electric. Electric may not hold their resale value once battery declines or as new technologies come out.

Additional pros of gas: For now, gas is readily available almost everywhere. Parts for gas outboards are readily available as legacy manufacturers have been around forever. Gas motors hold resale value relatively well.
Additional cons of gas: Gas doesn’t store well. If you are just using the outboard occasionally you have to plan carefully how much gas to buy and keep at once, draining it, disposing of old gas, etc. A gas outboard is often a terrible choice for someone who uses their engine sporadically/seasonally. 4-stroke gas outboards with enough power to plane a dinghy get very heavy.

A comparison of outboard fuel types isn't complete without putting propane outboards in the mix too.

Propane pros: Propane can store indefinitely, which makes it a much better choice for the sporadic user. No fouling of fuel system. An established brand – Tohatsu – now offers a propane engine. Initial purchase price closer to gas engines. Minimal risk of fuel spillage.
Propane cons: Power/weight ratio worse than gas. Fuel tends to be more expensive, especially when purchased in the small quantities needed for running a dinghy. Propane is not usually readily available at dockside. Resale can be lower as they are still a bit of an unknown quantity.

For now, my choice is propane, though I’ll be happy to go electric once I feel the marketplace is a bit more mature and competition brings the costs down. It seems there's a lot of room for both innovation and standardization around the battery issues I noted above.
 
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Oct 11, 2008
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West Marine and Defender are having a sale on Torqeedo Travel 1103, about $250 off list.
If you are only in need of light propulsion, the new TEMO450 electric motor from France is pretty cool. Pushed my 10' dink rather well for boat to shore and shore to boat applications. I can see lots of other use for it too.

I tested it to see just how much thrust it could provide and it pushed my Leopard 43 powercat (approx 34,000 lbs). I did not push it far. I just wanted to see if it could do it. No problem except I held the unit in my hands and that baby gives a hell of a kick when you hit the throttle. I do not recommend using it as a side thruster :) but it did cross my mind.
It is also a very compact, easy to stow-easy to use alternative among many.

HOWEVER, if I wanted/needed more power with headache-free operation, I would get a small combustion motor [most any Brand] and commit to using only Tru-Fuel or Nu-Gas. Both are more expensive, synthetic fuels, but can be stored for up to 2 years without degradation of potency, no phase separation from ethanol enriched gasoline and burns the carbs pretty clean. No fuel degradation that leads to clogged carbs or the need to clean carbs. Have yet to hear of the need to clean a carb on a small combustion motor used with synthetic fuel and it is the way ALL first responders go with their life-saving equipment like jaws-of-life, etc.

Just my 1.5 cents for what it is worth.

Happy Holidays to everyone!!
Stephan
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
As dlochner observed, batteries can’t match gasoline’s energy storage for long-range, high-speed wave hopping, but if that’s what you’re after, why do you own a sailboat?
There’s only so much carry space on a boat. A combustion-engine OB can basically service every potential need as they have the power and the range to do so. The two-stroke outboard w/external fuel tank carries the greatest combination of power and range /unit weight (and size) than anything else.

You’re lying to anchor 5 n.mi. from services with low seas spread between you and destination. You want to get there and get back, carrying a load. The best tool for that job is a RIB with an engine that can plane the boat you are using. Period. Yes, “high-speed wave hopping” might occur but you are not doing it for the “thrill.” Then, if you wish only to go 300 ft to the beach or dinghy dock, the same dink with the same engine can do that as well.

Some here seem to be conflating maintenance with repair. A fouled carb that needs work is a “repair.” The carb might not become fouled with proper maintenance, etc. Surely, electrics require maintenance and repair, no? The fewer the number of components, the less. I’ll give you that. But a fiberglass dinghy with a pair of oars requires the least.

From my perspective, small use of small (low hp) electrics for transportation is closer in mode to (efficient) rowing in most applications than outboard power.
 
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Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
There’s only so much carry space on a boat. A combustion-engine OB can basically service every potential need as they have the power and the range to do so. The two-stroke outboard w/external fuel tank carries the greatest combination of power and range /unit weight (and size) than anything else.

You’re lying to anchor 5 n.mi. from services with low seas spread between you and destination. You want to get there and get back, carrying a load. The best tool for that job is a RIB with an engine that can plane the boat you are using. Period. Yes, “high-speed wave hopping” might occur but you are not doing it for the thrill. Then, if you wish only to go 300 ft to the beach or dinghy dock, the same dink with the same engine can do that as well.

Some here seem to be conflating maintenance with repair. A fouled carb that needs work is a “repair.” The carb might not become fouled with proper maintenance, etc. Surely, electrics require maintenance; no?
There are other variables that come into play. Ease of use, ease of set up, and strength is not required to run the motor.

Hoisting a 60 to 80 lb OB and installing it on the dinghy for an overnight stay is more work than installing a 38 lb motor.

Yes, I can start and run the OB, my wife is unable to start the OB, she can run the electric. With the Torqeedo installed she is not dependent on me if she wants to go somewhere.

The only maintenance for the Torqeedo is charging the battery and rinsing in fresh water. The motor has sealed bearing and it is located at the end of the shaft and uses the water around it for cooling.

Maintenance on a OB, engine oil changes and gear oil changes as well as fresh water rinses and flushing the cooling system. Then there is keeping water out of the fuel and finding non ethanol laced fuel.
 
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Jul 27, 2011
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There are other variables that come into play. Ease of use, ease of set up, and strength is not required to run the motor.

Hoisting a 60 to 80 lb OB and installing it on the dinghy for an overnight stay is more work than installing a 38 lb motor.

Yes, I can start and run the OB, my wife is unable to start the OB, she can run the electric. With the Torqeedo installed she is not dependent on me if she wants to go somewhere.

The only maintenance for the Torqeedo is charging the battery and rinsing in fresh water. The motor has sealed bearing and it is located at the end of the shaft and uses the water around it for cooling.

Maintenance on a OB, engine oil changes and gear oil changes as well as fresh water rinses and flushing the cooling system. Then there is keeping water out of the fuel and finding non ethanol laced fuel.
All true. But what do you do when you really need to get somewhere? To cruise a few miles along a Bahamian shore or lagoon, or similar? Everybody hates lugging heavy stuff around. Me too. Everything in boating is a compromise,
 
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All true. But what do you do when you really need to get somewhere? To cruise a few miles along a Bahamian shore or lagoon, or similar. Everybody hates lugging heavy stuff around. Everything in boating is a compromise,
We put the OB on the dinghy if we're going to be there for a few days. We have both, so we carry both.

The new Honda 5 HP had difficulty starting from day 1 and was unreliable. At one point I had to call TowBoat/US to tow me back to the boat which was anchored a mile and half outside of Key West and across a busy shipping channel. After a warrantee repair that only solved half the problem, we either going abandon our plans to cross over to the Bahamas or buy a second motor. We opted for the Torqeedo. It was purchased from Defender and they were great to work with, making sure it was shipped quickly to the marina in Marathon.

Once we were home we took the OB back in for service. I'm not sure what they did, but now the motor runs reliably and I'm able to plane the dinghy when I'm by myself.
 
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Outboards can be very frustratingly “temperamental” pieces of equipment to use. What I try to do is “exercise” them often, especially leading up to a trip, and of course endeavor to use the correct fuel with additives if needed. I give mine a service call to the shop, biannually or “when needed”, whichever comes first. Still. The last trip we took to Santa Cruz Island in September for a planned 14 days the first couple of hr of the first day I spent getting the 9.5 hp Evinrude up and running. The choke arm had gotten fouled up and would not engage properly the carburetor. After that it did the time w/o trouble. We use formula fuel (EtOH free). Buy it by the 5 gal can.
 
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I generally agree with the pros and cons in the post above but have some additions. The pros of electric outboards are well covered.

Additional pros of gas: For now, gas is readily available almost everywhere. Parts for gas outboards are readily available as legacy manufacturers have been around forever. Gas motors hold resale value relatively well.
Additional cons of gas: Gas doesn’t store well. If you are just using the outboard occasionally you have to plan carefully how much gas to buy and keep at once, draining it, disposing of old gas, etc. A gas outboard is often a terrible choice for someone who uses their engine sporadically/seasonally. 4-stroke gas outboards with enough power to plane a dinghy get very heavy.
Use formula gas; stores well. Indefinitely. Small engine unleaded fuel; EtOH free. It’s made my life easier w.r.t. outboards. Can buy a lot of this stuff for the price of an electric.
 

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Jun 14, 2010
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Robertson & Caine 2017 Leopard 40 CT
TEMO450 electric motor
Hi Stephan - nice to hear from you.
I looked up that motor and had to laugh to myself because my wife and I have joked in the past about using our immersion blender (aka stick blender) as a dinghy outboard. Someone else obviously had the same idea and took it further to “why not”? :)
 
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