I purchased an Edson pedestal guard for my 1980 Hunter 33. The dealer I purchased it from said this was the correct one for my boat and the pedestal came with the mounting hardware, etc. When I tried to install the top mounting plate to the pedestal for the guard I found that the plate restricted the movement of the shift and throttle levers. Obviously this type of install won't work. Does anyone have any recommendations for me to get this thing installed? I have attached a picture of the pedestal with the levers. I was assuming that I needed to install the mounting plate here. If you know of any additional or extension Edson parts that I could buy to make this work please let me know as well. Thanks for your help! --mike
Edson Pedestal Guard Install - Help!
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Your shift levers are different than any I've
seen on an Edson pedestal I think, they are usually offset a little outwards to clear, see attached link. Any way you can rotate on the shaft towards the wheel and get enough clearance ?
seen on an Edson pedestal I think, they are usually offset a little outwards to clear, see attached link. Any way you can rotate on the shaft towards the wheel and get enough clearance ?
rotate handles?
Assuming the problem is that the handles hit the guard, I believe you can rotate the handles on their respective shafts sufficient to allow free movement. At least that is what I did to solve a similar problem on my previous boat.
Assuming the problem is that the handles hit the guard, I believe you can rotate the handles on their respective shafts sufficient to allow free movement. At least that is what I did to solve a similar problem on my previous boat.
The problem is that..
The problem is that you don't have an Edson pedestal. You have a Yacht Specialties pedestal and will most likely need to make your own top plate. Yacht Specialties is out of business and parts are very, very scarce.. I made my own top plate out of Starboard marine lumber. You can see photos here at "Related Link":
The problem is that you don't have an Edson pedestal. You have a Yacht Specialties pedestal and will most likely need to make your own top plate. Yacht Specialties is out of business and parts are very, very scarce.. I made my own top plate out of Starboard marine lumber. You can see photos here at "Related Link":
Not sure.... but....
Mike: I am not sure, but as I remember you need to mount the plate below the shifter/throttle. I am almost sure that is the problem. I am trying to see if I have a picture from our previous boat.
Mike: I am not sure, but as I remember you need to mount the plate below the shifter/throttle. I am almost sure that is the problem. I am trying to see if I have a picture from our previous boat.
That is the problem.
Mike: I just found a picture from 1987 of my H'31. The levers are above the plate. It has nothing to do with the fact that it is a Edson plate. I have an old plate sitting in my office that a good ol' salt had on his H'31 and he notched it to allow for the levers to clear. We later discovered that he also had mounted it wrong. So, yes it will be a bitch to take all that stuff off but that is what you need to do for a proper installation.
Mike: I just found a picture from 1987 of my H'31. The levers are above the plate. It has nothing to do with the fact that it is a Edson plate. I have an old plate sitting in my office that a good ol' salt had on his H'31 and he notched it to allow for the levers to clear. We later discovered that he also had mounted it wrong. So, yes it will be a bitch to take all that stuff off but that is what you need to do for a proper installation.
Mount beneath shifters?
Everyone, thank you for your responses so far. This is very helpful, if there are any more comments out there please keep them coming. Has anyone disassembled all of the components required to install the plate below the shifting levers? Is this a big deal to do? Would the hardware for the shifters need to be reconfigured, etc? I'm thinking I might want to look into the recommendation to cut notches in the plate or build my own plate as recommended by Maine_sail, that installation looked pretty nice... I'll wait to see what other advice and observations come up here. Thanks to everyone so far! --mike
Everyone, thank you for your responses so far. This is very helpful, if there are any more comments out there please keep them coming. Has anyone disassembled all of the components required to install the plate below the shifting levers? Is this a big deal to do? Would the hardware for the shifters need to be reconfigured, etc? I'm thinking I might want to look into the recommendation to cut notches in the plate or build my own plate as recommended by Maine_sail, that installation looked pretty nice... I'll wait to see what other advice and observations come up here. Thanks to everyone so far! --mike
I have one that is already cut if you want it.
Mike: I would not cut a 100 plate. It is much better to mount it correctly, that way you can mount your table/drink holder at the correct level if you need them too. I have one here 12.5" spread that you can have if you want it.
Mike: I would not cut a 100 plate. It is much better to mount it correctly, that way you can mount your table/drink holder at the correct level if you need them too. I have one here 12.5" spread that you can have if you want it.
Don has it right.
The 8" Edson base will fit on the YS pedestal with an Edson guard. You have to drill the guard base to match the holes in the pedestal. If the levers are hitting the guard you can loosen the internal levers and repostion the levers. This will cause your levers to be in a different position when in neutral(sp?) or at Idle. another option is to change the levers out to the Edson ones which are offset to the aft. (Note: the edson levers have a different diameter hole and require a bushing and then drilling and tapping to mount on the exsisting shaft.) Or another option, or in addition to the other is to use an angled or offset guard and cut the bottoms off until the angled part is below the lever's movement. I did all three when just recently rebuilding my YS pedestal. Powder coated it, replaced 12.5" guard with 9.5" offset Edson and new Edson Levers, looks like/better than new. Only problem-Damn that Edson stuff is $$. Dwain Lentz San Diego
The 8" Edson base will fit on the YS pedestal with an Edson guard. You have to drill the guard base to match the holes in the pedestal. If the levers are hitting the guard you can loosen the internal levers and repostion the levers. This will cause your levers to be in a different position when in neutral(sp?) or at Idle. another option is to change the levers out to the Edson ones which are offset to the aft. (Note: the edson levers have a different diameter hole and require a bushing and then drilling and tapping to mount on the exsisting shaft.) Or another option, or in addition to the other is to use an angled or offset guard and cut the bottoms off until the angled part is below the lever's movement. I did all three when just recently rebuilding my YS pedestal. Powder coated it, replaced 12.5" guard with 9.5" offset Edson and new Edson Levers, looks like/better than new. Only problem-Damn that Edson stuff is $$. Dwain Lentz San Diego
Depending on your base....
Mike: Another issue may be how your pedestal is mounted to the cockpit. Some of the boats have a raised fiberglass mount. This sometimes causes a problem if you use the 9" vs. the 12" mounting plate. The spread of the guard is not wide enough to clear the base. If you have the small plate, you may want to check this out before you go much further. If you have the wider plate this should not be a problem when mounting the feet to the cockpit sole. If is VERY important to drill the holes for the feet slightly oversized. Then refill the holes with epoxy, let it cure and drill to the proper size. There have been several posts where these boats need to have the plywood under the sole replaced because of water infiltration. Another option is to have the binical bent and flanges welded so they can be bolted/screwed into the pedestal.
Mike: Another issue may be how your pedestal is mounted to the cockpit. Some of the boats have a raised fiberglass mount. This sometimes causes a problem if you use the 9" vs. the 12" mounting plate. The spread of the guard is not wide enough to clear the base. If you have the small plate, you may want to check this out before you go much further. If you have the wider plate this should not be a problem when mounting the feet to the cockpit sole. If is VERY important to drill the holes for the feet slightly oversized. Then refill the holes with epoxy, let it cure and drill to the proper size. There have been several posts where these boats need to have the plywood under the sole replaced because of water infiltration. Another option is to have the binical bent and flanges welded so they can be bolted/screwed into the pedestal.
12" plate?
Steve, The 12" plate you are referring to is for a 12" wide guard is that correct? (wasn't sure if it was for some other measurement) My guard is the 9.5" one... Your point about the base is a good one, I'll need to head down to the boat to check that out. I'm guessing that this is going to be another problem
Disassembling the shifter housing in order to install the plate underneath it looks like a pretty difficult task. Would anyone advise against this or is it not really a big deal to do? Thank you! --mike
Steve, The 12" plate you are referring to is for a 12" wide guard is that correct? (wasn't sure if it was for some other measurement) My guard is the 9.5" one... Your point about the base is a good one, I'll need to head down to the boat to check that out. I'm guessing that this is going to be another problem
Disassembling the shifter housing in order to install the plate underneath it looks like a pretty difficult task. Would anyone advise against this or is it not really a big deal to do? Thank you! --mikeActually 12.5" center-center
Mike: That is correct. The plate on my H'31 was also the 9.5". The one I have here at home is 12.5". It is already notched because my buddy did not realize that it was supposed to be mounted UNDER the controls. Did you already purchase the binical? If you did you can mount the plate in either position and determine if the binical will clear the base of the pedestal. Good luck.
Mike: That is correct. The plate on my H'31 was also the 9.5". The one I have here at home is 12.5". It is already notched because my buddy did not realize that it was supposed to be mounted UNDER the controls. Did you already purchase the binical? If you did you can mount the plate in either position and determine if the binical will clear the base of the pedestal. Good luck.
Removal is easy
#1 Unscrew the four long bolts that penetrate the shifter housing and hold it to the pedestal. #2 Lift up the entire shifter housing, the cables should allow about 1-2" of travel. #3 Un-bolt the metal "cable hangers" from the shifter plate with a socket wrench and box end wrench. #4 Pull the cotter pins and disconnect the shifter and throttle cables. #5In order to remember their exact locations and orientation use a digital camera to photograph the taking apart. If you get stuck putting it back together simply look at the pictures.
#1 Unscrew the four long bolts that penetrate the shifter housing and hold it to the pedestal. #2 Lift up the entire shifter housing, the cables should allow about 1-2" of travel. #3 Un-bolt the metal "cable hangers" from the shifter plate with a socket wrench and box end wrench. #4 Pull the cotter pins and disconnect the shifter and throttle cables. #5In order to remember their exact locations and orientation use a digital camera to photograph the taking apart. If you get stuck putting it back together simply look at the pictures.
...May need to give in and take it apart
Steve, What do you mean by "Did you already purchase the binical?" Which part are you talking about here? Maine_Sail, thank you for the information. I'm thinking I may need to suck it up and try to take it apart to get the bracket mounted correctly. It looks like one of those projects I might regret starting though... My boat is going in the water tomorrow for the first time... I'm not quite ready yet to mess anything up but I do want to get my chartplotter installed asap. Thanks for the great feedback from everyone! --mike
Steve, What do you mean by "Did you already purchase the binical?" Which part are you talking about here? Maine_Sail, thank you for the information. I'm thinking I may need to suck it up and try to take it apart to get the bracket mounted correctly. It looks like one of those projects I might regret starting though... My boat is going in the water tomorrow for the first time... I'm not quite ready yet to mess anything up but I do want to get my chartplotter installed asap. Thanks for the great feedback from everyone! --mike
Tubing/Guard
Mike: I am referring to the actual guard (tubing). It will be your guide to determine if the feet will fit onto the cockpit sole.
Mike: I am referring to the actual guard (tubing). It will be your guide to determine if the feet will fit onto the cockpit sole.
Mike??
How are you mounting the char plotter to the pedestal guard? Are you running the wires internally inside the pedestal guard?
How are you mounting the char plotter to the pedestal guard? Are you running the wires internally inside the pedestal guard?
You know what I hate?
It's when I see a thread that I know the answer to, and everybody beats me to it!
It's when I see a thread that I know the answer to, and everybody beats me to it!
FYI
The attached site is the only place I have found edson parts at a discount. I spoke to the owner, Rudy, and he says he is the only authorized outlet for over stock and no longer stocked edson parts. It is worth checking out his clearance aisle for sure. I was thinking about doing a wheel conversion and he had the best overall price by far. Bob
The attached site is the only place I have found edson parts at a discount. I spoke to the owner, Rudy, and he says he is the only authorized outlet for over stock and no longer stocked edson parts. It is worth checking out his clearance aisle for sure. I was thinking about doing a wheel conversion and he had the best overall price by far. Bob
Follow up...
Yes, I have already purchased an Edson offset pedestal guard (9.5"), it came with the feet and the top plate mounting bracket. I called the place I bought from and they said to buy this particular one for my boat. This is my first sailboat so I'm pretty ignorant at the moment (learning by the minute though). I bought it and figured that once I could get the guard mounted I'd then mess around with the wiring and stuff, I haven't exactly thought through how I'm going to mount a C/F yet... I figured I'd worry about that when the time came and as long as everything else was installed ok. I was thinking I would probably run the wire in the guard and feedback on that? Thanks for everyone's suggestions and input! --mike
Yes, I have already purchased an Edson offset pedestal guard (9.5"), it came with the feet and the top plate mounting bracket. I called the place I bought from and they said to buy this particular one for my boat. This is my first sailboat so I'm pretty ignorant at the moment (learning by the minute though). I bought it and figured that once I could get the guard mounted I'd then mess around with the wiring and stuff, I haven't exactly thought through how I'm going to mount a C/F yet... I figured I'd worry about that when the time came and as long as everything else was installed ok. I was thinking I would probably run the wire in the guard and feedback on that? Thanks for everyone's suggestions and input! --mike
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