Drone question

Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
Thank you for all of your responses.

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Here's a test of the smaller one with the GoPro4 from a few weeks back.
http://youtu.be/Uwcg2HdU-n8

We’ll see what the thing delivers up this summer.

Cheers
Gary
All joking about target practice aside, I think this video shows exactly why some people, including myself, will have issue when these start flying around anchorages. That is not the same as a helicopter or airplane flying over the anchorage. You can see way more detail than photos taken from helicopters or airplanes. This is an invasion of privacy issue.
 
Aug 1, 2011
3,972
Catalina 270 255 Wabamun. Welcome to the marina
Yes, a complete PITA, in an anchorage, in the hands of an idiot.

However ................ the photography in the youtube video is mind boggling.
Thanks Ralph. We're looking forward to video with green instead of white.
 
Aug 1, 2011
3,972
Catalina 270 255 Wabamun. Welcome to the marina
All joking about target practice aside, I think this video shows exactly why some people, including myself, will have issue when these start flying around anchorages. That is not the same as a helicopter or airplane flying over the anchorage. You can see way more detail than photos taken from helicopters or airplanes. This is an invasion of privacy issue.
The video was the very first attempt at pushing the limits of the GoPro4 running in 4k mode. I would note that there are a couple of things in that clip that your average kid with a $500 platform won't be able to do, as it was edited in a high end production package that allows manipulation of 4k data. Specifically the "zoom" into the neighbors house on the hill. That (although poorly executed) was intentional to see just how far the effect could go.
You pretty much have to park the thing on the doorstep to see any real degree of detail, and the other thing that hasn't been mentioned, is that unless you've got some serious payload capabilities, you're not going to have much of any airtime. 15 minutes is pretty much the norm on a charge, maybe 20. So your average "hobby" devices are pretty much useless at invasion of privacy, unless they are in your face.
 

Dan_Y

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Oct 13, 2008
521
Hunter 36 Hampton
Hmm - I really like the concept of having a drone available from the marina or other dockside service to inspect the mast top, or the spreaders for cracks, corrosion, etc. although binoculars work okay.

I think a recent episode of South Park covered the privacy issues nicely...:)
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,650
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Bring Them On

They have the same rights to public space as everyone else.

What would y'all say about the homeowner who does not want sailboats anchored off of his beach because they spoil his view and make too much noise?
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
... having a drone available from the marina or other dockside service to inspect the mast top, or the spreaders for cracks, corrosion, ... )
It would have to land on your Windex to be stable enough to get a clear picture :naughty:
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,244
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
They have the same rights to public space as everyone else.

What would y'all say about the homeowner who does not want sailboats anchored off of his beach because they spoil his view and make too much noise?
from the looks of it the homeowners are going to get there wish
 
Dec 14, 2003
1,450
Hunter 34 Lake of Two Mountains, QC, Can
I do agree that annoying people will be annoying people, regardless if they own jetskis, dinghies, "drones", RC speedboats, planes or helicopters. and even barking or howling dogs ! And unfortunately these people lead to more and more laws. In all my years of cruising, I've found that calling these people over or visiting them to mention politely the annoyance has resolved the issue almost all the time.

Now Rick & Woodster are bringing another issue into perspective and I'm afraid it's going to steal this thread but I can't help making a comment. (Perhaps another thread should be started)​

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Originally Posted by Rick Webb
They have the same rights to public space as everyone else.

What would y'all say about the homeowner who does not want sailboats anchored off of his beach because they spoil his view and make too much noise?


from the looks of it the homeowners are going to get there wish
Indeed they are Woodster ! The first bill has been introduced restricting anchoring in Florida. This could be just the start of many bills to come in regards to anchoring. Senator Charles Dean, republican from Inverness introduced the bill this week (March 4th). The bill is scheduled to go into effect July 1st, 2015. This would give waterfront landowners the control of state owned waters 200 feet from their shoreline!This is a deterrent to cruisers and not a safety issue!. A 200-foot setback from shore for all practical purposes would basically knock out any cove less than 600 feet across. Bill complete text: https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2015/1548/BillText/Filed/PDF

May I suggest that all florida boaters urgently write to their senator !
 

KZW

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May 17, 2014
831
Catalina 310 #307 Bluewater Bay, FL
The FAA notice of proposed rule making (NPM) for UAVs is on the street and has about 30 days left in the comment period. FAA intends to regulate all UAVs. In fact, a close reading and depending on your interpretation, folded up paper gliders could be covered.

I sail boats and am a member of the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA). I've been flying radio controlled models for over 50 years and am a flight instructor in my club. The NPM, as currently written, will not cover model aircraft, flown as a hobby, and flown with the pilot in direct control in a "see and avoid" situation. This appears to mean first person video, (flying with goggles showing the view from a camera on the plane) will be covered in the NPM. Anyone flying for commercial purposes will be required to obtain flight authorization from the FAA. Everyone not flying a model aircraft as a hobby will require authorization from the FAA to fly.

Many quad and hexicopter UAVs are stable and have on board GPS navigation. Some do not. Many (most) have camera capability, photos, video, or both. Some can relay the video in real time, some can not. Both visible spectrum and/or infrared cameras can be carried. Visible spectrum cameras can see through windows. IR cameras cannot.

The issue of privacy and personnel space is a real. These things can hover or circle for some time and take video of you the whole time. Most folks would object. Flying overhead structures, vehicles, and personnel is simply not safe. If it flies, it can go out of control. A 3 pound object hitting you at a velocity of 20 mph can kill you. The odds are it won't go out of control, and if it does, the odd are it won't hit you, but the possibility is there.

Like anything else, if used responsibly there won't be an issue. A responsible person could use the item to inspect rigging, top of mast, etc. However, if in a marina, in proximity to other boats or persons, that is an issue. Depth perception while flying in the vicinity of many small lines is problematic. If you nick a blade on a quad or hexicoper, the machine will go out of control. The 2.4 GHz spread spectrum radio technology is much, much better than the 72 Mhz we used in the past, and generally quite reliable. But I've also seen radio interference issues with 2.4 GHz. It is much less common than on 72 MHz, but it can happen. Transmitting video, in the same spread spectrum can affect the radio signal. It depends on the type of frequency hopping scheme, there are several different schemes employed.


At this point in time, with the current technology, most operations are safe if used responsibly. That being said, I will not fly my hexicopter, helicopter, or fixed wing models over, or in the vicinity of structures, vehicles, or people. It simply is not the responsible thing to do.
 
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Sep 20, 2014
1,330
Rob Legg RL24 Chain O'Lakes
So if one plays ultimate Frisbee for commercial purposes, it becomes commercial use and you got to get a permit.
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,722
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
KZW, with your knowledge and attitude toward remote-controlled aircraft, you would be banned for life from ever operating personal watercraft. Responsible operators will never be tolerated.

;-)
 

KZW

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May 17, 2014
831
Catalina 310 #307 Bluewater Bay, FL
KZW, with your knowledge and attitude toward remote-controlled aircraft, you would be banned for life from ever operating personal watercraft. Responsible operators will never be tolerated.

;-)
Tried it a couple of times. I prefer sailing.
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,953
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
The FAA notice of proposed rule making (NPM) for UAVs is on the street and has about 30 days left in the comment period. FAA intends to regulate all UAVs. In fact, a close reading and depending on your interpretation, folded up paper gliders could be covered.

I sail boats and am a member of the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA). I've been flying radio controlled models for over 50 years and am a flight instructor in my club. The NPM, as currently written, will not cover model aircraft, flown as a hobby, and flown with the pilot in direct control in a "see and avoid" situation. This appears to mean first person video, (flying with goggles showing the view from a camera on the plane) will be covered in the NPM. Anyone flying for commercial purposes will be required to obtain flight authorization from the FAA. Everyone not flying a model aircraft as a hobby will require authorization from the FAA to fly.

Many quad and hexicopter UAVs are stable and have on board GPS navigation. Some do not. Many (most) have camera capability, photos, video, or both. Some can relay the video in real time, some can not. Both visible spectrum and/or infrared cameras can be carried. Visible spectrum cameras can see through windows. IR cameras cannot.

The issue of privacy and personnel space is a real. These things can hover or circle for some time and take video of you the whole time. Most folks would object. Flying overhead structures, vehicles, and personnel is simply not safe. If it flies, it can go out of control. A 3 pound object hitting you at a velocity of 20 mph can kill you. The odds are it won't go out of control, and if it does, the odd are it won't hit you, but the possibility is there.

Like anything else, if used responsibly there won't be an issue. A responsible person could use the item to inspect rigging, top of mast, etc. However, if in a marina, in proximity to other boats or persons, that is an issue. Depth perception while flying in the vicinity of many small lines is problematic. If you nick a blade on a quad or hexicoper, the machine will go out of control. The 2.4 GHz spread spectrum radio technology is much, much better than the 72 Mhz we used in the past, and generally quite reliable. But I've also seen radio interference issues with 2.4 GHz. It is much less common than on 72 MHz, but it can happen. Transmitting video, in the same spread spectrum can affect the radio signal. It depends on the type of frequency hopping scheme, there are several different schemes employed.


At this point in time, with the current technology, most operations are safe if used responsibly. That being said, I will not fly my hexicopter, helicopter, or fixed wing models over, or in the vicinity of structures, vehicles, or people. It simply is not the responsible thing to do.
Probably the best response on the thread. Some of what most were thinking, but also very informative. :)