Dreaming of Florida Sailing

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Nodak7

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Sep 28, 2008
1,256
Hunter 41DS Punta Gorda, FL
The Admiral and I are dreaming of moving the boat to florida in the nearby future. Thinking about the Ft Myers or Clearwater Areas since they seem "sailboat friendly". Our thoughts are to purchase a home with a dock large enough to accommodate our boat. I see there are many subdivisions that have canals that accommodate sailboats (no bridges) with easy access to open water but other than that what should we look for? Are most of them deep enough to allow 5' draft? Has anyone had experience with moving a boat from the upper midwest to florida (other than the obvious expense of moving the boat) is it expensive to have a boat in that state? If it is not in a Marina is it reasonable? (Registration, etc.) Are there rules and regulations that make owning and operating a sailboat difficult and what can we expect regarding state and local expenses? I have been told that it would need to have the bottom cleaned every 8 weeks or so. Is that the case?
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,464
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Fl is not a cheap place to have a boat. Dock space is limited and it's common to pay over $7000/yr for one. In addition, if you cannot prove you paid sales tax elsewhere, Fl will require a 7% tax on current value of your boat and people likely far more devious than you have failed to avoid it. In addition, most of the canals open to the Bay are too shallow for a 5+ ft draft and home prices with a dock on the Bay start at 7 figures.

Not to further dampen your enthusiasm but being realistic in your expectations is important. Much of the area is shallow and running aground gets to be a routine occurrence and always seems to happen just as you are trying to avoid the daily thunderstorms in summer.

Lastly, if I haven't already dissuaded you, your boat does not have at least two A/C units, forget using it for 8 months of the year.

Hope this isn't too negative as I intend it only to be a reality check. This part of Florida beats everywhere else for boating in some of the most beautiful scenery you can imagine but no place is ideal.
 

Sailm8

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Feb 21, 2008
1,750
Hunter 29.5 Punta Gorda
Came from the midwest 10 years ago and sail on Charlotte Harbor. 5 foot draft is the upper limit in my opinion. We sail in 8 to 16 feet and getting into some anchorages where a 4 foot draft is pushing it. When you look at property ask the neighbors if 5 foot draft will get you out during the low winter tides. Can you get out 24/7?

We hire a diver who knows the water in our area. He averages coming about every other month. A good diver will know the water and how frequently he needs to come by.

Insurance is more expensive since we are in a hurricane area. You will need a state tag for boat, dinghy and car and it comes due on your birthday.

Sales tax runs about 7%. No state income tax or personal property tax.

10 years ago we moved our Cal 27 from St. Louis to Punta Gorda. cost was around 3 grand.

We love it here. Sailing is the best ever. Just came back from 4 day 3 night trip and had a great time. You will not regret it.
 
Jun 4, 2004
1,087
Mainship Piliot 34 Punta Gorda
I have a 5'4" draft and would prefer less but it is what it is. We love it here but we are limited in getting out of our subdivision (PGI) in the winter when there is a north wind. We just take it in stride. What usually happens is there are very low tides in the morning to mid afternoon. So if you really want to go out you either have to get up early and get out or wait until the afternoon and spend the night out.

You really should look at this area before making a decision to go to Ft Myers. You can sail all day in Charlotte Harbor whereas in Ft Myers you wil have to head out into the Gulf to sail. Look at the charts and sailing areas.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Tampa $$$$$$

I saw everything up in tampa was more $$$$$ more traffic more crowded people but lots of great sailing and clubs and more big boat traffic like cruise ships and tankers,I think and decided to not by and go look at Punta Gorda and never looked back,been happy here.
Punta Gorda and charlotte harbor is under used and less traffic but lots of choice of homes on canals but 5' must be careful for sure in winter months and most other places most times shallow,I have 5' H-36.
Do like some come down spend time live on boat away from home up north in winter months and see for yourself before buying and maybe rent first,boating not cheap here but lots more time on the water than up north,shopping around for house with some good deals at this time with prices lower and seeing much lower prices for houses with dock is cheaper than in Marina'here marina dockage $12/$13 per ft per month plus electric,many boats with 5' draft.
PGSC great sailboat club,I sailed from Long Island ,NY in 2008 and just did new bottom paint this year and I dive under my own boat to keep clean,insurance on new $$$$ like yours not chip,I use progresive for best price full value.
Nick
 
Nov 26, 2008
1,970
Endeavour 42 Cruisin
What months of the year are important to you?
Panhandle is beautiful and MUCH cheaper. Cold in Jan, Feb but nice oct, nov, dec, mar, apr, may. Hot in jun, jul, aug, sep like the rest of fl.
Hurricanes seldom go east of pensacola
 

Nodak7

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Sep 28, 2008
1,256
Hunter 41DS Punta Gorda, FL
What months of the year are important to you?
Panhandle is beautiful and MUCH cheaper. Cold in Jan, Feb but nice oct, nov, dec, mar, apr, may. Hot in jun, jul, aug, sep like the rest of fl.
Hurricanes seldom go east of pensacola
Gettinthere...given that right now we settle for just 5 months (May-Sept) anything would be an improvement. My understanding is the Panhandle is pretty shallow.
 

gpdno

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May 16, 2011
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Watkins 27 Venice
We live in Venice and love it. Smaller town but close enough to the bigger cities. Many nice beaches all close by. Venice has an inlet from the ICW to the gulf so I have a quick motor trip from my dock to the open ocean.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Charlotte Harbor

I told my wife when looking to move to Florida that Tampa Bay and Charlotte Harbor looked big so we could day sail with out going out into the gulf if the weather got nasty.
Venice is very nice but not much room for anchoring over night when we passed through and very busy ICW,Charlotte Harbor is very big and many places in protected harbor to over night and so big to sail all day inside but a few hours to sail out Boca Grand inlet into gulf and go south or north,Well known secret Pelican Bay.
I live in Port charlotte and would love to live in Punta Gorda on a canal with my boat in the back yard but I do live in a gated 55 and over that my wife loves and I get to sailing as much as i want,does get hot in july august and sept.
Forgive me for telling about a great top ten place to live and boat but no perfect places for sure and when living east end LI was the best sailing but very cold winter and went fast season,here can almost sail all year depending on weather.
Nick
 
Feb 10, 2004
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Hunter 426 Rock Hall, MD
I just returned from a vacation stay in Islamorada. While there we investigated relocating our boat from DE. What I found was very interesting.
1) SALES TAX: (This information is directly from a visit to the FL Tax Office in Islamorada). If your boat is documented AND previously registered in ANY state for 6 months or more you do not have to pay sales tax. You would be responsible for the annual registration fee - about $200.00. I found this very surprising, being documented and registered in DE - a sales tax free state. There was a great deal of misinformation regarding this issue which prompted me to actually go to the tax office to make inquiries.
2) Yes, marinas are pricey. If you want to go to the west coast be careful - many marinas add a surcharge for live-aboard which can be as much as $400.00 PER MONTH (in addition to metered electric). I don't know about the east coast; I wasn't interested in going there. In the Keys, Marathon Marina and Boat Yard was the place to go if you want nice facilities; rates were fairly good with no live aboard surcharge.
3) Insurance....I did a lot of research on this topic. Some companies will not insure in FL, while most others are very high, with Boat/US being about the highest. After many phone calls I got a great AGREED VALUE quote from my current agent, CHARTER LAKES MARINE INSURANCE. It was 1/4" of the next best quote. The company was Catlin Insurance. The coverage was comparable to, or better then, other companies. Most of the companies I talked to want you to submit a "Hurricane Plan", and some want it verified by the marina. ALSO; deductible doubles in FL to 2% of agreed value, AND 4% OR MORE for a named storm. Depending on your boat's age you may also need an insurance survey.
Long story short; we still haven’t made the decision to re-locate and am considering of a seasonal move next year or the year after instead - HURRICANES!!!
 
May 28, 2009
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Hunter 376 Pensacola, FL
Pensacola - where thousands live like millions wish they could.

http://www.visitpensacola.com/

We have none of the traffic, congestion, or expense of central or south Florida. The cost of living here is about as low as you're going to find anywhere on the coast. We have a large protected bay to sail in, and numerous bayous and lagoons as well as the Intracoastal Waterway to explore and gunkhole. We have something like 30 or 40 miles of National Seashore, where the barrier islands have no development and you can anchor in a protected cove in the sound and dink ashore to explore miles of sugar white beach. Our marina is right next to Sherman Field, which is home to the Navy's Blue Angels, so we have free airshows twice a week as they practice. We're small enough to still feel like a town and not a city, but big enough to have pretty much anything you'd want. Our new waterfront baseball stadium opens next month, home of the Blue Wahoos, a AA farm team for the Cincinatti Reds. If you need a bigger city, we're 45 minutes from Mobile, AL, 2 1/2 hours to New Orleans, and 5 hours to Atlanta. We personally sail from early March until late November or early December, and then do maintenance and upkeep in Jan and Feb. We just hauled and did our bottom between Christmas and New Year, and were back in the slip the first week of January.

The downsides are that we do have an actual winter, with temperatures sometimes hitting the '20s and even the upper teens (but not usually for very long). Waterfront property is very expensive, but if you don't mind living ten or fifteen minutes from the water, you'll find great deals. Like all of coastal Florida, home owners insurance for anything near the coast is crazy expensive, and possibly even unobtainable, throwing you into the state's high risk pool. Marina fees are pretty pricey, running on average $10 to $14 a foot per month. If you're retired military, you can get a great slip at the Navy base like ours for $7.25 a month including utilities, and it even comes with 24 hour armed security (hey, it's a military base!). We do use a diver to keep our bottom clean. We paint with a hard modified epoxy, and then pay $75 a month for a monthly cleaning. You could certainly do it yourself if you dive. But we only have to do our bottom about once every three years, so it all evens out more or less. Although there's abundant deep water, with the bay averaging 25 to 30 feet, it does get a little thin around the edges. But we have soft sandy bottoms around here, so we've never touched bottom where we couldn't just back ourselves off, and have never damaged anything.

It's a very popular area for retirees and snow birds. You should check us out.
 
May 24, 2004
7,175
CC 30 South Florida
One thing you may consider is purchasing a vacant water front lot and build a dock on it. There is a good number on every canal subdivision of vacant lots with docks already on them. You can get water and power to the dock and could perhaps spend a couple of days at a time on the boat but more than likely would not be able to live aboard. A 5' draft could be a deal breaker for some canals and you would definitely have to work around the tides in most places.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Not allowed

In Punta Gorda yes many empty lots for sure but the city of PuntaGorda has many good rules and yes I think you could keep a boat at a empty lot but I don't think you can have water and electric hooked up and so it keeps things nicer so no homeless or lets say things don't go down hill.
Mary and Bill in Punta Gorda would know more for sure and if thinking of looking in Punta Gorda yes not all canals are sailboats and yes some times the tides is tricky in some places but I have met many sailboaters that have 5' draft and say it only happens a few times in the winter like recently the last few weeks or so with really high winds that you may not want to go sailing anyway with gusts to 20 /30mph.
I think Punta Gorda is a really nice place to live all year round for sure and like I said I live in Port Charlotte which is 10 minutes away and would love to live there.
Nick
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
If you read those regulation then it appears if you have a boat at your dock and you spend the night on it you are in violation of these regulations.
 

PGIJon

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Mar 3, 2012
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Hunter 34 Punta Gorda
If you read those regulation then it appears if you have a boat at your dock and you spend the night on it you are in violation of these regulations.
if you are referring to: Within the City of Punta Gorda, living aboard boats and other watercraft shall be permitted only in marinas approved for such purpose by the Zoning and Land Development provisions of this code (see section 26-7).

I'm pretty sure that spending the night on your boat versus living aboard is very different. Especially when the Admiral assigns you bunk space onboard your ship that evening.
 

Nodak7

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Sep 28, 2008
1,256
Hunter 41DS Punta Gorda, FL
Want to thank you all for your contributions! You gave us a lot of great information and a lot to think about. It sure would be nice if we could just sail it down there!
 
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