I have a Beneteau 361 with a 140 genoa. I am thinking of buying a "standard" size jib with the objective of using it as a double head sail. Does anyone have any experience with this and what advice do you have on how to rig the jib so I can sail with just my genoa and jib. I would rather not have to pole out both sails.
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I have a Beneteau 361 with a 140 genoa. I am thinking of buying a "standard" size jib with the objective of using it as a double head sail. Does anyone have any experience with this and what advice do you have on how to rig the jib so I can sail with just my genoa and jib. I would rather not have to pole out both sails.
An assumption would be that you have a double
grooved foil on your roller furling, assuming you have furling, too, which you don't mention.
I'd thought of that over the years, and doing research in Letcher's, Pardey's and other accomplished sailors, I don't see how you could do that without pole-ing them out. There's simply no way to assure you're DDW all the time, and once the wind starts from one side or the other, one of the jibs is bound to collapse, defeating the whole purpose. Part of the trick is to get the luffs of the sails even, which you could do when you design and size your smaller jib to match the luff length of th existing 140, or you could just use a pennant at the top or bottom.
grooved foil on your roller furling, assuming you have furling, too, which you don't mention.
I'd thought of that over the years, and doing research in Letcher's, Pardey's and other accomplished sailors, I don't see how you could do that without pole-ing them out. There's simply no way to assure you're DDW all the time, and once the wind starts from one side or the other, one of the jibs is bound to collapse, defeating the whole purpose. Part of the trick is to get the luffs of the sails even, which you could do when you design and size your smaller jib to match the luff length of th existing 140, or you could just use a pennant at the top or bottom.
An assumption would be that you have a double
grooved foil on your roller furling, assuming you have furling, too, which you don't mention. I'd thought of that over the years, and doing research in Letcher's, Pardey's and other accomplished sailors, I don't see how you could do that without pole-ing them out. There's simply no way to assure you're DDW all the time, and once the wind starts from one side or the other, one of the jibs is bound to collapse, defeating the whole purpose. Part of the trick is to get the luffs of the sails even, which you could do when you design and size your smaller jib to match the luff length of th existing 140, or you could just use a pennant at the top or bottom.
grooved foil on your roller furling, assuming you have furling, too, which you don't mention.
I'd thought of that over the years, and doing research in Letcher's, Pardey's and other accomplished sailors, I don't see how you could do that without pole-ing them out. There's simply no way to assure you're DDW all the time, and once the wind starts from one side or the other, one of the jibs is bound to collapse, defeating the whole purpose. Part of the trick is to get the luffs of the sails even, which you could do when you design and size your smaller jib to match the luff length of th existing 140, or you could just use a pennant at the top or bottom.double headed sail
Don't waste your time and money. Buy a new or used genaker and tack it down behind your headstay. You can then use it as both a genaker and virtually a full spinnaker. I run the tack line through a small block just behind the headsail tack point and adjust the tack from full down (to sail upwind) to letting out the tack line to allow it to run free un front of the headstay (to go DDW or nearly so. Caguy does the same and we both love it. It is a good idea to pull the sock down to tack but not totally necesary in light winds. Novelman
Don't waste your time and money. Buy a new or used genaker and tack it down behind your headstay. You can then use it as both a genaker and virtually a full spinnaker. I run the tack line through a small block just behind the headsail tack point and adjust the tack from full down (to sail upwind) to letting out the tack line to allow it to run free un front of the headstay (to go DDW or nearly so. Caguy does the same and we both love it. It is a good idea to pull the sock down to tack but not totally necesary in light winds. Novelman
double headed sail
Don't waste your time and money. Buy a new or used genaker and tack it down behind your headstay. You can then use it as both a genaker and virtually a full spinnaker. I run the tack line through a small block just behind the headsail tack point and adjust the tack from full down (to sail upwind) to letting out the tack line to allow it to run free un front of the headstay (to go DDW or nearly so. Caguy does the same and we both love it. It is a good idea to pull the sock down to tack but not totally necesary in light winds. Novelman
Don't waste your time and money. Buy a new or used genaker and tack it down behind your headstay. You can then use it as both a genaker and virtually a full spinnaker. I run the tack line through a small block just behind the headsail tack point and adjust the tack from full down (to sail upwind) to letting out the tack line to allow it to run free un front of the headstay (to go DDW or nearly so. Caguy does the same and we both love it. It is a good idea to pull the sock down to tack but not totally necesary in light winds. Novelman
Glad I saw this
I know nothing about gennakers but was thinking of buying one. Is a Gennaker the same as a Cruising Spinnaker? I didnt realize that you could go DDW or nearly DDW. Thought you had to stay off a little. Also I thought you jybed not tacked. I guess they are more functional than I thought. For my boat I think a new one will run about $2600 to $2800 with a sock. Anyone know any good sites for a used one? Tony B
I know nothing about gennakers but was thinking of buying one. Is a Gennaker the same as a Cruising Spinnaker? I didnt realize that you could go DDW or nearly DDW. Thought you had to stay off a little. Also I thought you jybed not tacked. I guess they are more functional than I thought. For my boat I think a new one will run about $2600 to $2800 with a sock. Anyone know any good sites for a used one? Tony B
Glad I saw this
I know nothing about gennakers but was thinking of buying one. Is a Gennaker the same as a Cruising Spinnaker? I didnt realize that you could go DDW or nearly DDW. Thought you had to stay off a little. Also I thought you jybed not tacked. I guess they are more functional than I thought. For my boat I think a new one will run about $2600 to $2800 with a sock. Anyone know any good sites for a used one? Tony B
I know nothing about gennakers but was thinking of buying one. Is a Gennaker the same as a Cruising Spinnaker? I didnt realize that you could go DDW or nearly DDW. Thought you had to stay off a little. Also I thought you jybed not tacked. I guess they are more functional than I thought. For my boat I think a new one will run about $2600 to $2800 with a sock. Anyone know any good sites for a used one? Tony B
Genaker
Tony, Look at this site under "classified ads". They often have used ones, even for a boat your size. Remember, if you want to tack vs. jibe it you will do best if you douse it first. I can usually fly mine DDW if the wind is not above 8 knots. Novelman
Tony, Look at this site under "classified ads". They often have used ones, even for a boat your size. Remember, if you want to tack vs. jibe it you will do best if you douse it first. I can usually fly mine DDW if the wind is not above 8 knots. Novelman
Genaker
Tony, Look at this site under "classified ads". They often have used ones, even for a boat your size. Remember, if you want to tack vs. jibe it you will do best if you douse it first. I can usually fly mine DDW if the wind is not above 8 knots. Novelman
Tony, Look at this site under "classified ads". They often have used ones, even for a boat your size. Remember, if you want to tack vs. jibe it you will do best if you douse it first. I can usually fly mine DDW if the wind is not above 8 knots. Novelman
double headsails
Tony, A gennaker is the same thing as an asymetrical spinnaker. When you buy one be sure that the luff is no longer than the length of your forestay. Failure to do this limits being able to go upwind, since you can't tighten the luff enough to point well. Novelman
Tony, A gennaker is the same thing as an asymetrical spinnaker. When you buy one be sure that the luff is no longer than the length of your forestay. Failure to do this limits being able to go upwind, since you can't tighten the luff enough to point well. Novelman
double headsails
Tony, A gennaker is the same thing as an asymetrical spinnaker. When you buy one be sure that the luff is no longer than the length of your forestay. Failure to do this limits being able to go upwind, since you can't tighten the luff enough to point well. Novelman
Tony, A gennaker is the same thing as an asymetrical spinnaker. When you buy one be sure that the luff is no longer than the length of your forestay. Failure to do this limits being able to go upwind, since you can't tighten the luff enough to point well. Novelman
What's wrong with wing on wing?
When we are constrained by a channel, or just feel like going dead down wind, we are reasonably stable with our main on one side, and our asymetric spinnaker on the other. Sailing without your mainsail reduces support for the mast, by the way. I have only heard of flying two sails from the headstay track while cruising in the trade winds. I think it takes enough time to set up to be impractical for a leg of a few hours. If the wind shifts, you have to drop one of the sails, of course. Our 110 flies OK without a pole, but you will need a pole for the 140. Without a pole, they loop out front, and make a lousy running sail. David Lady Lillie
When we are constrained by a channel, or just feel like going dead down wind, we are reasonably stable with our main on one side, and our asymetric spinnaker on the other. Sailing without your mainsail reduces support for the mast, by the way. I have only heard of flying two sails from the headstay track while cruising in the trade winds. I think it takes enough time to set up to be impractical for a leg of a few hours. If the wind shifts, you have to drop one of the sails, of course. Our 110 flies OK without a pole, but you will need a pole for the 140. Without a pole, they loop out front, and make a lousy running sail. David Lady Lillie
What's wrong with wing on wing?
When we are constrained by a channel, or just feel like going dead down wind, we are reasonably stable with our main on one side, and our asymetric spinnaker on the other. Sailing without your mainsail reduces support for the mast, by the way. I have only heard of flying two sails from the headstay track while cruising in the trade winds. I think it takes enough time to set up to be impractical for a leg of a few hours. If the wind shifts, you have to drop one of the sails, of course. Our 110 flies OK without a pole, but you will need a pole for the 140. Without a pole, they loop out front, and make a lousy running sail. David Lady Lillie
When we are constrained by a channel, or just feel like going dead down wind, we are reasonably stable with our main on one side, and our asymetric spinnaker on the other. Sailing without your mainsail reduces support for the mast, by the way. I have only heard of flying two sails from the headstay track while cruising in the trade winds. I think it takes enough time to set up to be impractical for a leg of a few hours. If the wind shifts, you have to drop one of the sails, of course. Our 110 flies OK without a pole, but you will need a pole for the 140. Without a pole, they loop out front, and make a lousy running sail. David Lady Lillie
Quite common on...
a traditional yacht with WIRE. A Benny sails pretty well, no need for that; rig main with a preventer. Stu is right, for running, you will need to pole one out. I use to commonly run twins on the same forestay hanked in a staggard pattern, still need to pole one, watch the wind carefully or feel it level on yer back matey!
a traditional yacht with WIRE. A Benny sails pretty well, no need for that; rig main with a preventer. Stu is right, for running, you will need to pole one out. I use to commonly run twins on the same forestay hanked in a staggard pattern, still need to pole one, watch the wind carefully or feel it level on yer back matey!
Quite common on...
a traditional yacht with WIRE. A Benny sails pretty well, no need for that; rig main with a preventer. Stu is right, for running, you will need to pole one out. I use to commonly run twins on the same forestay hanked in a staggard pattern, still need to pole one, watch the wind carefully or feel it level on yer back matey!
a traditional yacht with WIRE. A Benny sails pretty well, no need for that; rig main with a preventer. Stu is right, for running, you will need to pole one out. I use to commonly run twins on the same forestay hanked in a staggard pattern, still need to pole one, watch the wind carefully or feel it level on yer back matey!
Double headsail is fun
Depending on your sail inventory, go with the double headsai for dead down wind. Depending on your breeze you can pick up a 1/2 to a knot of speed. Fast is fun. Its a challenge to keep them filled. That's fun too. We've never poled out both sides so I don't know why you would want too. Two poles is definitly more rigging involved which means that if you need to bring it down (wind picks up, change of course, etc) its probably not the way to go. If you are going to have to buy a new sail, the comments about assyms are good. Markdb
Depending on your sail inventory, go with the double headsai for dead down wind. Depending on your breeze you can pick up a 1/2 to a knot of speed. Fast is fun. Its a challenge to keep them filled. That's fun too. We've never poled out both sides so I don't know why you would want too. Two poles is definitly more rigging involved which means that if you need to bring it down (wind picks up, change of course, etc) its probably not the way to go. If you are going to have to buy a new sail, the comments about assyms are good. Markdb
Double headsail is fun
Depending on your sail inventory, go with the double headsai for dead down wind. Depending on your breeze you can pick up a 1/2 to a knot of speed. Fast is fun. Its a challenge to keep them filled. That's fun too. We've never poled out both sides so I don't know why you would want too. Two poles is definitly more rigging involved which means that if you need to bring it down (wind picks up, change of course, etc) its probably not the way to go. If you are going to have to buy a new sail, the comments about assyms are good. Markdb
Depending on your sail inventory, go with the double headsai for dead down wind. Depending on your breeze you can pick up a 1/2 to a knot of speed. Fast is fun. Its a challenge to keep them filled. That's fun too. We've never poled out both sides so I don't know why you would want too. Two poles is definitly more rigging involved which means that if you need to bring it down (wind picks up, change of course, etc) its probably not the way to go. If you are going to have to buy a new sail, the comments about assyms are good. Markdb
this is a question of balance
if you add more head sail you will need more main sail to balance the boat or it will not handle well
if you add more head sail you will need more main sail to balance the boat or it will not handle well
this is a question of balance
if you add more head sail you will need more main sail to balance the boat or it will not handle well
if you add more head sail you will need more main sail to balance the boat or it will not handle well
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