Do you know what's holding your boat ????

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Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Hi All, Every year in our mooring field, now over 1200 boats mostly sail, we have people break free of their mooring and smash into other boats during blows. During the fall of 2005 our brand new 05 Catalina was hit and cosmetically damaged to the tune of five figures. The owner of the boat, that hit ours, had taken the cheap way out and used inexpensive, Chinese made, imported cast shackles instead of proper forged shackles as he should have. To make a long story short the shackle between his top and bottom chain parted in less than 40 knots of wind and his boat then proceeded to damage seven others before hitting ours.. So the question is this? Do you actually know what is holding your boat where she is moored. Do you know if the shackles are forged or cast? How much bottom chain do you have and how much does it weigh per foot (caternary)? How big is your top chain? How big is your swivel? Could you be the next guy that breaks free in your anchorage or will you rip the bow off your boat before she moves? This is our bottom chain! We have 30 feet of it and use forged shackles. Our top chain is 3/4 inch long link Acco mooring chain and we have a 1 1/4 swivel to Yale 7/8 inch mooring pendants. Is your mooring safe?? What's your set up like?? Can you sleep at night when it blows??
 

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Feb 25, 2007
191
- - Sandusky, Ohio
Wow!

5 figure COSMETIC damage!!! You have expensive cosmetics. I wonder what you would call real damage.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Well..

Well when a 38 foot heavy displacement boat, with a long aluminum bow sprit, takes out stanchions, gouges gelcoat, ruins the rub rail extrusion, a hand rail, two port lights, every piece of standing rigging on the port side (6 stays in all), gouges and scrapes the genoa track and rips the dodger and bends the frame it adds up fast! Again there was no structural damage to the hull just cosmetic and a few stays. The total bill for repairs was over 14k! Patching molded non-skid & literally hundreds of small gelcoat gouges and nicks one at a time, so you can't tell it was damaged, (from where the bow pulpit & bow had been scraping along the decks, cabin sides, cabin top & hull) takes hours and hours of artist like skilled labor. Unfortunately only a few high quality Maine boat yards can truly do this repair & make it 100% invisible! I could not even have come close to doing these repairs and making them 100% invisible and I can do decent gelcoat repairs.. Seeing as this boat was three months old or "brand spanking new" I wanted it fixed the right way meaning anything that even got scratched was replaced or repaired... The "cosmetic" gelcoat repairs were $8700.00 alone and replacing the aluminum extrusion for the rub rail required removing half the interior!! Getting these aluminum extrusions from Florida to Maine cost me $385.00 in just shipping expenses alone.... Cosmetic damage repairs add up FAST!!
 
Jan 1, 2008
89
Islander 36 Salem MA
private vs commercial morrings

In Salem harbor 95% of the moorings are commercial ,rented. These are inspected every spring and replaced as needed . We don't see many problems with these moorings . The other 5% are private and we see lots of problems with these . People always go cheep and others end up paying . I too have been hit by a boat that broke free and did major damage in the commercial field . When the boat fetched up on the beach ,the pendant was there along with 15 feet of 4/5 year old chain . One other thing of note , in your photo the shackle is moused with a plastic tieback . The black ones may be UV protected but I would never trust one of these . Go with copper wire even if the is a small risk of corrosion .
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I actually..

I actually used Monel seizing wire. That photo was taken before I had fully rigged it and dropped it in the water and one of the boat yard guys knew it was going in in a few days and he tightened everything and stuck zip-ties through it. I went back and found it that way but re-did it to my liking and also braided on my pendant float balls to keep my pendants from tangling in my top chain.. Our anchorage has very strict two year mandatory mooring inspection that can only be done by approved mooring service companies. They also have rules about mooring size but NOT chain size? Unfortunately, there are no rules about storing anchors on bow rollers (which essentially slice through the pendant in a storm), the use of chafe protection or using forged shackles. I'm actually working with the town & harbor master attempting to get some of the rules changed for better safety.
 
Nov 28, 2004
209
Hunter 310 San Pedro
Unlimited Damage Possible

Even professionaly maintained moorings can fail! A recent incident at Two Harbors, Santa Catalina Island, can demonstrate that. I have provided a link to the newspaper report with photos. Dennis W. S/V FullSailed
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Labor Rates

John, You must have very low labor rates in Ohio. Anywhere I have been labor rates at a decent boat yard are at or near 100 per hour. It doesn't take a lot of hours at that rate to add up real quick. And if someone else is at fault, especially if it is due to their own ignorance or carlessness, I am certainly not going to accept anything less than perfect. And how many people do you know who can mix gel coat so the color matches exactly. I helped a fried of mine take his one year old 36'er to Pensacola last summer for some repairs.. Basically was a bottom job, a rudder repair, AGM batteries and some odds and ends. Total came to a little over 8K. So getting to 10 grand on boat repairs is pretty quick and easy to do. Hell, a bottom job on my 37, with all the labor done myself is going to cost more than a couple of grand, just for the hauling, paint and sandpaper.
 
Jan 1, 2008
89
Islander 36 Salem MA
Debris field

Can't resist this .I wounder if there was chafe gear in the debris field !
 

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
We keep our boat at Nyack Boat Club

on the Hudson River. There is about a 3 to 4' tidal range there and the river is about 3 miles across which means a small fetch to the east and larger to the north. This club is a DIY club so every year we have to pull our mooring and inspect/repair it in the Spring, which is a good thing. This section of the river has pretty heavy commercial traffic in the channel so the sanctioned 'anchorage' area is fairly small and shared by other clubs/marinas and about 20' deep generally. The club rules for moorings dictates using 20' of heavy chain with 20' of less heavy chain to the mooring ball. Even though this policy may violate the idea of proper 'scope' (7:1 when anchoring) it does allow more boats to use the anchorage area. The Iroquois had a name for the Hudson that meant 'river that flows two ways' and the name is justifiable today. Every year boats in our anchorage drag their mushroom or other mooring anchor and there is the occasional 'runaway'. One recent year someone's boat escaped (whether chain, tackle or pendant related does not matter) and was found by the CG drifting happily below the George Washington bridge some 20 miles south. The boat had negotiated 2 major bridges (Tappan Zee + GWB) and all the commercial traffic and was fine after being tied up at a marina in Weehawken, NJ. I am not sure if the escaped boat hit other boats but it probably rubbed a few. We get occasional tree trunks coming down the river so sometimes it is difficult to tell if damage is from another boat or floating debris. Do I know what is holding my boat? I do, and it scares me!
 
Feb 25, 2007
191
- - Sandusky, Ohio
I got it

Nice-n-easy It was tongue-in-cheek. A little joke, not meant as any kind of criticism. I understand the cost of labor, it's about $70/hr at my marina. But, if I was talking $14k I probably wouldn't use the phrase cosmetic. I'm guessing that there are a lot of boatowner's on this forum that didn't pay that much for their boat. The insurance adjuster might have "totaled" many boats with that much "cosmetic" damage.
 

Grizz

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Jan 13, 2006
179
Hunter 28.5 Park Ridge, IL
the whole kit-and-kaboodle

Moored in Chicago in a field of 30 footers. After a big blow last May (gusts to mid-40's), the tender rounded the corner...and no boat! Quite a shock. No boat, but also no mooring ball. Once the heart began to beat again we spotted the mooring ball @ 5' from the unoccupied neighbor's ball to the north (good thing as damage would have occurred). The storm had moved everything: boat, harness, mooring ball and the the concrete block meant to provide anchorage. We eventually found the boat moored nearby, went sailing :) and afterwards asked harbormaster "why no phone call". "Oh we called, there was no answer". Yeah, right. Harbormaster set a new block, one that's meant for a 70 footer with the statement "if this one moves, I'm retiring". So far, so good. 2 similar storms afterwards and no apparent movement.
 
Oct 3, 2006
1,033
Hunter 29.5 Toms River
Concrete

concrete blocks are cheap - But but i'd hardly all them good mooring unless a LOT heavier than a nice steel or iron mushroom. It's just too light once it's in the water!
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Grizz..

Unfortunately, the misconception that bigger is better is not always true especially in the world of cement moorings. A cement mooring, on average, can weigh as much as 50% less underwater! Most mooring experts, municipalities and insurance companies agree and it's recommended that the weights indicated, for holding a specific sized vessel, be calculated on the SUBMERGED weight of the "dead-weight" anchor. Use the following table, as a guideline, to calculate required weight of material submerged. Unfortunately many harbor masters & municipalities don't know squat about moorings!! Minimum dead-weight mooring weight: Vessel length: 10 - 17 1000 lbs. Concrete = 1818lbs. Granite = 1562lbs. 18 - 26 1500 lbs. Concrete = 2727lbs. Granite = 2343lbs. 27 - 35 3000 lbs. Concrete = 5454lbs. Granite = 4687lbs. 36 - 45 4000 lbs. Concrete = 7272lbs. Granite = 6250lbs. 45 - 55 5000 lbs. Concrete = 9090lbs. Granite = 7812lbs. 56 - 65 6000 Submerged Weight Calculations Concrete = required weight /.55 (example 1000 lbs./.55 = 1818 lbs.) Granite = required weight /.64 (example 1000 lbs./.64 = 1562 lbs.) A properly sized cement mooring for a 70 footer would weigh in the vicinity of 12,700 lbs. out of the water!!!!! That's more than the weigh of FOUR 2008 Honda Civics by about a thousand pounds!!! I seriously doubt you have a cement mooring that even comes close to design spec to hold even a 35 footer let alone a 70 footer. Again many harbor masters are quite clueless about proper mooring design. Mushrooms, Pyramids, Screws and very large oddly shaped pancake like granite slabs are used with much more reliability than cement boxes because a proper mooring is NOT designed to sit on the bottom but rather it is designed to set, over time, into the bottom. Square cement boxes do this with far less reliability than do the other choices of moorings. Our last mushroom was so buried that the chain made a funnel cone in the mud where it was swiveling around the eye almost two feet down. they had to pull my mooring to inspect it because the diver could not reach the eye to inspect it. It literally stood the barge on end, at times, and took over 5 hours of the crane & displacement of the barge on an in-coming tide to break it free. My bill for inspection had an additional 5 hours of barge rental $$$$ because the crane alone could not break the anchor out of the bottom! The shank on my mushroom is almost four feet long so that means the head of the mushroom was buried over six feet into the mud! The vacuum pressure alone needed to pull that mushroom out is astronomical... A "box" design is perhaps the worst design for a mooring because it is easily toppled. Let's asy the box is tree feet tall and it settles into the bottom six inches. in a blow it will simply tip over and have ZERO set. Once it has zero set it will simply drag across the bottom. A properly designed "dead-weigh" mooring may only be 6" inches to 14" inches thick but may be 6' feet to 12' feet or more in diameter. With this design the mooring does not tip and as pressure is exerted at one angle it digs that side into the bottom. As the boat shifts and another front moves in from another direction the mooring is pulled deeper from another angle until the entire 6" to 14" inches is buried into the bottom unless of course you are in a solid bottom in which case sheer weight and surface area, again "pancake" are more important. Many towns, that actually have a clue, no longer even allow dead-weight moorings or require special permission and approval of the shape size and weight. Here's the Falmouth, MA policy "Approved Anchor Types Mushroom, Dor-Mor, Seaboard Short Shank, Helix. All other types require a special waiver by the Harbor Master in advance of them being set in the water." "Norwalk, CT Only allows the use of mushroom anchors and sets minimum size requirements by boat length." "Mashpee, MA Mooring Specifications – Minimum Requirements Allowed mooring anchors: Steel (or cast iron) mushroom, DOR MOR, Helical Screw Not Allowed mooring anchors: Cement block, granite block, radiators, engine blocks, etc."
 
Jan 1, 2008
89
Islander 36 Salem MA
Elastic Mooring

Hazelettmarine .com Take a look at what this man came up with to replace the mooring chain ! A lot of harbormasters and the USCG are using this new method . I won't get into the details ,but it makes a lot of sense . The problem is this system will wipe out the mooring service people ,because it last so long . They won't be selling you chain every 2/3 years .
 
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