Do you have a garbage plan

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Oct 24, 2011
258
Lancer 28 Grand Lake
Many years ago, when i first sailed everything went over the side (ok so we didnt know any better) Then the international maratime organisation stopped it, and came out with the motto, "over the side is over" So on the ships, we bagged up or garbage, and took it to the next port. We had enough space to do this, and some ships had incinurators to burn everything, then compactors to turn what didnt burn, into little blocks. Last time i sailed for what i think was an extended period on a sailboat, (eight days) we were badly running out of room to store garbage, so we took to sinking, cans and bottles in the sea, but we kept most of the garbage, the plastics because we believed they should never be put in the water, the cardboard because that floats, and its easy to compact, and some of the cans and glass containers just in case we got boarded by the coastguard, and they asked to see our garbage. Their were three of us, an awful lot of garbage for eight days.

I am not concerened about sailing on the lakes, as i take all garbage in, and no one stays out that long in the lakes, but, what do people do in extended cruises in small boats. Like do you wash your garbage, then store it, so it dosent smell, do you dump some, do you keep it in the cockpit or down bellow?
 
Dec 1, 2011
75
Catalina 1984 C30 Tall Rig Bow Sprit MD
This is an important question for all who sail, especially those who sail internationally or to Hawaii, Puerto Rico and American territories and returning to the mainland thinking they have no international regulated garbage problem.
Marcol has it's regulations and the US it's regulations. Each country has regulations regarding garbage also. Basically, you need to contain garbage, and usually all meats, fruits, dairy products, vegetables and plants to prevent the spread of pests and diseases. Not only of human problems, put also crops and forests.

You are required to have a trash/garbage plan if your boat meets certain minimum standards anyway. So planning on bagging up the garbage for proper disposal when returning to port is part of that. If you bring back items from other countries our from Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and American territories those have similar garbage rules too.

Your port master can direct you to companies that handle international regulated garbage.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Rum is better than Beer
cans are better than bottles
don't take dunnage on board in the first place, break down EVERYTHING before putting it on the boat
Dedicated plastic storage for staples instead of bags and boxes, helps organize the galley too!
And for Hunters with the matrix of beams under the floor the installation of access doors greatly increases your storage options
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,182
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
You are so right. I think the key is packaging. For a ten day trip, we removed all packaging, used box wine, and took frozen stuff out of the containers and into zip locks. We crushed all cans. Paper was shredded and discarded. Food waste went over the side. At the end of the trip, for four of us, there was one trash can full of trash. Most of that was plastic (milk container, etc.).
From what I can tell in the California lake where we have a pontoon boat, trash issues are resolved by simply leaving it on the ground or tossing it in the boat to blow away while it's being trailered. About the same as the guys who use there pick ups as trash bins and expect it to stay put at 80 MPH.
 
Apr 29, 2011
134
Finnsailer 38 Massachusetts
It depends on where you are cruising. In the USA and developed areas we separate recyclables, just in case that is required, and bring a big green garbage bag ashore somewhere once a week or so with everything in it. We recycle when we can. Offshore we dump sinkables and biodegradables, but never plastics or hazardous waste. In some countries there are decent garbage facilities at most ports, while in others you can pay someone to take your garbage and they will dump it into the harbor as soon as they are out of your sight. We found this to be the case in parts of the San Blas Islands, so a bunch of cruisers would get together once in awhile and light a huge garbage bonfire on an island. No, it probably wasn't legal and it wasn't ideal, but we felt it was better than giving it to the locals who then just dumped it back into the ocean nearby.

And, yes we strip as much packaging as possible, and repack many things, especially when going offshore, so that the food doesn't take up as much space and we don't have as much trash to dispose of.
 
Nov 23, 2011
2,023
MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
Yikes!
Here in Ontario we have to separate our recyclables into different streams. Ie; plastic, cardboard, paper.
At home we compost what ever we can and recycle pretty much everything else. We have garbage pickup every 8 days so there is one week out of the mo. we don't. In my family there are 3 of us. We don't have to put garbage out for about 3 weeks. the recycling goes every time there is pickup.
We break things down when we travel so we don't end up with a bunch of garbage when we are camping/sailing. We re use plastic bottles for water and what ever paper goes to start the camp fire.
Most public areas here have seperate cans for recycling and garbage.
My in-laws live in PEI. There they have garbage pick up once a mo. Its one and only one big black container with wheels. (120L) If the garbage guy sees any thing that can be recycled or composted in it he leaves it! The whole lot! They have compost pickup and recycling every week.
The littering fines are $500 first time. I once took some old insulation to the dump (really a transfer station) and had to pay $.50/kg and still separate the dirty looking stuff from the clean looking stuff. Only the dirty looking stuff went to land fill.
Its a small planet. We cant afford the space for land fill.
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
We don't re-package anything that we buy and can go over a month (2 of us) on our 26 foot Mac and keep all trash on-board.

I take every piece ....



....of trash and compact it...



...into as small a space as possible. Then I'll stuff that into...



cans that we had opened and put smaller cans into larger ones. I have a ...



...block of wood out in the cockpit and crush all the pop and beer cans with my foot.

We pack a lot of our food in....



...these 5 gallon buckets that...



.... have screw in lids that seal air-tight and then fill those with the trash as we empty them of the food.

The food and .....



....drinks take up a lot more space going in the boat than the trash coming out.

We can take way over a month of food, water and fuel on the Mac. The Endeavour is like having our house out on the water :).

Besides the above using Double Doodie bag, like wag bags, we carried all 2 months of human waste with us to the end of the trip also in two 5 gallon sealed containers. So no trips to pump-outs and the frig meant no trips for ice.

All of the above and more is in our trip reports below,

Sum

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our Endeavour 37[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our Trips to Utah, Idaho, Canada, Florida[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our MacGregor S Pages[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mac-Venture Links[/FONT]
 
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arf145

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Nov 4, 2010
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Beneteau 331 Deale, MD
As Sumner suggests, your trash, being the remainder of what you brought on board, has to take up less space than what you brought on board--you should have room for it. As pointed out by many, reducingpackaging before leaving and compacting what remains can keep the volume down.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
GREAT GOOGILLY MOGGILLY sumner!!!!
I had to look pretty hard to find you among the "stowage"
I'm guessing you spend a lot of time on deck.
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
GREAT GOOGILLY MOGGILLY sumner!!!!
I had to look pretty hard to find you among the "stowage"
I'm guessing you spend a lot of time on deck.
Actually that is Ruth down there under the hat wondering where everything is going to go. Believe me we have storage in every possible place on the Mac, but still have some open room in the....



...V-berth, but not much and in the cabin once all of that is put away. We are lucky in that the aft berth on the Mac is bigger than a lot of boats 30+ feet or so and it...



...is used up completely on our trips,

Sum

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our Endeavour 37[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our Trips to Utah, Idaho, Canada, Florida[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our MacGregor S Pages[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mac-Venture Links[/FONT]
 

kenn

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Apr 18, 2009
1,271
CL Sandpiper 565 Toronto
Even on our 19 ft boat and a 3-day outing, we can easily manage the garbage. Thoughtful pre-packaging is key.
 
Oct 2, 2008
3,810
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
We go with stackable containers, large sizes, and deposit due recycle containers. Once rinsed and bagged, we had put them in the dingy well secured. Wrote the Marpol Plan and signed it saying we'll take everything to shore for disposal.
All U Get
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,048
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
I seem to pick up more garbage off the lakes than I produce, but I singlehand more. Maybe it's all the garbage on my boat that keeps me solo? ;)
 
Apr 29, 2011
134
Finnsailer 38 Massachusetts
As I said earlier, you have to adjust your plan based on where you are going. For example, recycling is not always available even along the coast of the USA (where I normally store my boat has no recycling), and it is completely unavailable in many areas of the Caribbean, as is adequate garbage disposal. This is one reason why some long-distance cruisers prefer to purchase food in cans and bottles that can be sunk well offshore, which is a better option than delivering them to some trash can ashore in a poor country where people will immediately tear apart your garbage bags looking for anything of value, dumping the rest right back on the ground or in the harbor--and yes I have witnessed this happening. Strangely, in a place like that, decent quality plastic bottles are often desirable for various uses, so they do get "recycled" by being reused. Also, carrying garbage onboard for more than a day or two, no matter what it is stored in, when temperatures are in the 90s is a lot different than doing so up north. One of the most difficult things to get rid of many places is used motor oil, so bring along a big jug for storing that if you are going down into the western Caribbean. You may have to carry it back to the USA with you. Many different considerations, many different places.
 
May 23, 2007
1,306
Catalina Capri 22 Albany, Oregon
Adjust your menu and tow a dinghy too . . . we made the mistake of cooking up a batch of garlic shrimp the first night we were in Echo Bay on Sucia Island. The next day we realized there was no place to dump our trash. By the time we left, after 3 nights on the hook, the double trash bag with the shrimp refuse was in the dink at the end of its tether. First order of business when we got to Deer Harbor was to find a trash bin! Peeeeuuuueeeewwwww!
 
Oct 24, 2011
258
Lancer 28 Grand Lake
Some really good ideas, and i think it will get some of those five gallon containers, so i can store the garbage under the cockpit, I really hate having it in bags inside the cockpit, it makes me feel like i am sailing a garbage truck.
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
.... i think it will get some of those five gallon containers, ....
We got ours from here....

http://www.bayteccontainers.com/

..... but since I've seen the lids other places. They will work on any of the 5 gallon buckets and are a lot easier to use than the snap-on ones, but they would work also and you can find them about any place.

Ruth wanted our buckets to be color coordinated so we got....





.... bottoms to match...




the tops ;). That can be handy if you have a system but most important was it didn't cost that much to make her happy :),

Sum

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our Endeavour 37[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our Trips to Utah, Idaho, Canada, Florida[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our MacGregor S Pages[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mac-Venture Links[/FONT]
 
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