Do Winchers Work?

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BrianW

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Jan 7, 2005
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Hunter 26 Guntersville Lake, (AL)
In a recent post about sailing gloves, one of the responders recommended Winchers. These devices are like large donuts that fit on the winch and supposed to somewhat turn regular winches into self-tailing winches. I have had my eye on these devices for awhile and wonder if anyone who has tried them has an opinion on how well they work and are they worth the 50 bucks or so?. BrianW
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
I tried a pair of "Winchers" on the non-self-tailing Barients I had on an old C&C some years ago. I didn't like them. I found that you had to really load up the winch drum fully and then the sheet would be held in the jaws of the wincher. I could not get them to perform, nor do I think they were intended to perform, like self-tailers.
 
Jan 10, 2009
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PDQ 32 Deale, MD
An open camcleat ~2' from the drum is a better choise.

In a recent post about sailing gloves, one of the responders recommended Winchers. These devices are like large donuts that fit on the winch and supposed to somewhat turn regular winches into self-tailing winches. I have had my eye on these devices for awhile and wonder if anyone who has tried them has an opinion on how well they work and are they worth the 50 bucks or so?. BrianW
You can park the sheet, but still unload the drum easily.
 
Mar 22, 2004
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Hunter 30 Vero Beach
I've got them on my H30 and like them. They aren't really supposed to be like self tailing winches. They are there to help control the lines like a self tailing winch with a little more effort. you still need to tail the line or it will wrap around the winch
I use them more like a cleat than anything. if you do two or three turns on the drum then wrap the line around the Wincher, they will hold most of the time. If the winds are really blowing, they won't hold (you shouldn't cleat jib sheets if it's blowing hard anyways) I want self tailing winches, but cant afford them right now, so the Winchers will do for now.

Dave
 
May 31, 2004
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Catalina 28 Branford
Another vote for winchers. You still have to tail the line, but its to keep the line from tangling, not to hold it down. I have used them for years with a working jib and my 135. I don't recall more than one instance where the line has slipped, and never when it has been "cleated" in the top of the ring. They aren't self-tailing winches, but for $50, they are a very cost-effective lesser substitute. I really like them.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,171
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
I vote no..... emphatically...

A pair came with my boat, it looks like the PO had purchased them at a surplus sale because they were marked with a price of $8.00 on them. I installed and used them for a year or two on the halyard winches. I eventually removed them and gave them to a buddy with my blessing and these comments:

Self-tailing feature- I found they offered me no real advantage because I still had to clear the tail....the grippers are on the underside of the rubber rings...so you have to completely wrap the drum for them to grip the line. That means you get less than one full turn before the tail wants to overlap the loaded side. What is missing is a stripper arm. So, in effect they are not self-tailing. You can, however, make one-handed tightening micro adjustments with the line loaded and cleated in the wincher's jaws.

As a cleat, they work okay. I never noticed any slipping with the line completely wrapped on the drum and cleated in the wincher jaws. However, If you use your halyard winch for other controls, such as the spinnaker or jib halyards... you need to install real cleats somewhere in front of the winches anyway.... so what's the point?

With line handling they are definitely a disadvantage. I would never use them as sheet winches. As stated before, you have to fully load the drum for them to work at all... so if you put less than 5 wraps on the drum, all they do is get in the way. They are especially annoying when you cast off the old line as you're tacking the boat. Standard winches are designed to allow the trimmer to simply pull up on the sheet to pull off the wraps.... you can't do this with these things (any self tailing winch for that matter) because the little rubbery grippy nodes on the bottom of the ring snags the sheet. You must stand over the winch and unwrap the line lasso style... nosirree, not my idea of effecient sail handling.

My buddy was excited to get them free... I helped him put them on... but a year later I notice he had removed them. I asked him about it and he told me they weren't what he was hoping for (told ya) and he got so frustrated trying to remove them he just took a knife and cut them off.

So... even though there are a few who like the winchers... I say don't waste your money. I'm glad I didn't. You cannot turn a standard winch into a self-tailing one this simply. You would serve yourself better by saving a few more bucks and installing a rope clutch for your hayard winch. Definitely an upgrade. Garhaurer sells an awesome double rope clutch for a little over $100. Way... way ....way better improvement than winchers!
 
Feb 12, 2007
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Ericson 25 Oshkosh, WI
I like them and have never had a problem with them. I too dont consider them a replacement for st winches, but I like them to easily cleat off in all winds
 

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BrianW

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Jan 7, 2005
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Hunter 26 Guntersville Lake, (AL)
Thanks all for your replies! I now have a fairly good idea that Winchers can ... and can not do. The really valuable info is that they don't act as self-tailers. BrianW
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
...a fairly good idea that Winchers can ... and can not do. The really valuable info is that they don't act as self-tailers.
I don't agree with that assessment/conclusion, based on both experience and what's been said. They are not intended to make normal winches into self tailing but they physically function that way because when the wrap builds up, the standing part of the line goes into the cockpit. There's not much real "tailing" required, compared to regular winches. No more than I have to do on our real self-tailing winches by assuring that the end comes inboard.

My experience, linked in a thread above, is that I rarely used the cleats on the our coaming and just let the friction of the built up wraps do (all of) the work.
 

Gail R

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Apr 22, 2009
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Pearson 34 Freeport, ME
Our boat came with them. The skipper immediately put his Swiss army knife to them and chucked them. They are the poorest excuse for a self tailer or cleat that I can imagine. I put them in the same category as the "bumper buddy" that people use to hang their fenders. You are better off learning to tie a cleat hitch.
 
Feb 12, 2007
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Ericson 25 Oshkosh, WI
Our boat came with them. The skipper immediately put his Swiss army knife to them and chucked them. They are the poorest excuse for a self tailer or cleat that I can imagine. I put them in the same category as the "bumper buddy" that people use to hang their fenders. You are better off learning to tie a cleat hitch.
How would you know how they work if the Skipper cut them off IMMEDIATELY???
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
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Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
How would you know how they work if the Skipper cut them off IMMEDIATELY???
Gail's skipper has a ton of sailing experience and I am sure he had run across them before.

They came on my previous boat and we did utilize them despite their limitations. Agree with above that they are absolutely not a replacement for an ST but again are not supposed to be.

Another problem I have seen is some people just plain do not understand how to use them. I know they are pretty simple but I have seen people take 2 turns and then try running the line through the jaw ring.


 
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