Disaster in dry dock!

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DorineJohn

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Jul 6, 2012
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Hunter 39 Tracy's Landing, MD
Our Hunter 39 sustained major damage last week while up on land for maintenance and bottom painting in our marina's boatyard (they are assuming full responsibility) but we need to know what to be aware of and lookout for; our 2011 Hunter 39 was up on 'sticks' and fell off to port striking the boat next to us, destroying our Selden mast, the maim sail (in mast furling), boom, all rigging and life lines. There was some gouging in the hull and interior panel separation.

Any and all experiences and knowledge are appreciated.
 
Scotty C-M

Scotty C-M

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Apr 11, 2012
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Cataina 400 MK II Santa Cruz
Sorry to hear about the accident. What do you mean by internal panel separation?
 
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oldersalt

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Aug 10, 2011
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none none Northern California
In my opinion, YOU should pay an independent surveyor to assess all the damage, and YOU should work with your insurance company so they can cooperate with the yard's insurance company. The yard may be perfectly honest, but it would be a perfect example of a conflict of interest to let them repair the boat without independent oversight.
Good luck!
 
anchorclanker

anchorclanker

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May 27, 2012
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Oday 222 Beaver Lake, Arkansas
Yikes. My biggest concern would be delamination of the hull. Ultrasound and X-ray should be used to determine if any exists, and the extent. Someone with that kind of equipment thats familiar with boats, should be capable of inspecting the whole boat, internally as well as externally. IOW, just because you find damage in the port side hull, doesnt mean a bulkhead wouldnt direct damage into the starboard side. That boat needs a thorough inspection by highly qualified people. Paid for at your own expense if need be, to help alleviate any improprieties between the yard and insurance adjusters.

Man, I think I would be in shock after that phonecall. How are you taking it?
 
Don S/V ILLusion

Don S/V ILLusion

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Sep 25, 2008
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Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
I'm wondering what prompts you to trust a yard to do the proper assessment and repair of a boat when they can't even manage to put stands on it correctly.
 
Jackdaw

Jackdaw

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Nov 8, 2010
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Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Work throught your insurance company, and make sure you to are on the same page as your approch the yard, and their insurance company. Let them do the work.

Remain professional and try and keep your emotion in check as you deal with others on this.

You boat is rather new, your bar on what is a satifactory outcome should be very high.

Good luck, that sucks.
 
Marc14857

Marc14857

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Jun 5, 2004
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Hunter 44 Mystic, Ct
You should also consider damage to items that might not be readily observable. There was a similar issue at my marina a few years ago when a refuse truck knocked a large hunter off of its stands. The shipyard did a great job fixing the hull and damaged joinery inside but my understanding was the boat had several electrical glitches perhaps as a result of wiring harnesses shifting and connectors coming apart or just loose connections. Make sure that someone does a thorough inspection on the electrical and electronics as well.
 
Stu Jackson

Stu Jackson

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Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Kinda like Xmas: Make a list and check it twice!

Sorry to hear about your misfortune.

The more effort you put into this, personally and as professional as you can be, the better this will all turn out. There is great wisdom in the suggestions to get involved, rather than leaving it to others; however, we don't know your personal "qualifications" as far as it comes to boating issues.

Perhaps an approach could be you as the "project manager" and don't assume anything, trust but verify.

Good luck.
 
Sailvayu

Sailvayu

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Jul 25, 2007
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-Irwin -Citation 40 Wilmington, NC
Get an independent surveyor to work with you and your insurance company. There is no xray or ultrasound testing for laminates and in my opinion thermal photography is useless. Find someone with a good background in laminate repairs. This is one time it really worth having an expert on your side. The yard may be very honest but you want to make sure they do not miss anything.

Capt. Wayne Canning, AMS
www.projectboaten.com
 
anchorclanker

anchorclanker

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May 27, 2012
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Oday 222 Beaver Lake, Arkansas
Airbus, Boeing, the military, NASA, and many other aerospace companies use thermal imaging to detect delamination in composite laminates, as well as X-rays and ultrasound. Perhaps the cheapo dime store equipment used in boat yards by incompetent personnel is useless, I dont know. But you cannot say the technology itself is useless.

Another way of stating it is to say that test equipment used in aviation has to be FAA approved, and regularly tested and certified, and the operator has to be tested and certified as well as receive recurrent certification.

OTOH, any idiot can work on a boat with whatever tools they want, there is no testing or certification.

If it were me (and its not), after paying nearly $300K for a boat and seeing it damaged when its barely a year old, I would hire whatever testing I could find to make damn sure there isnt something hidden that escapes the eye.
 
Sailvayu

Sailvayu

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Jul 25, 2007
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-Irwin -Citation 40 Wilmington, NC
You really cannot compare aerospace composites to marine they are way different things. One of the major reasons you cannot use thermal imaging to check boats is the temperature controls are not possible like they are in an aerospace factory. I have worked on this quite bit a few years ago and it proved to be largely ineffective for finding faults. A hammer and good ear did better then 5k in thermal cameras in every case I checked. As for xray I have never seen it used on a boat or even heard of it used on a boat to detect lamination problems, ever. If you know of any cases please let me know I would like to know more. Really not trying to be a smart ass there. Same goes for ultra sound. i am familiar with using that on metal boats and understand how it works but in theory it would not work with laminates due to there varying densities. Once again if I am wrong please let me know I like to learn new things and as much as I am loath to admit it, I do not know everything lol.

Capt. Wayne Canning, AMS
wwwprojectboatzen.com
 
Sailvayu

Sailvayu

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Jul 25, 2007
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Yeah that has been out there for a long time and I have yet to figure out if it is real. I have asked around but nobody knows. Also that is for the chain plates not the laminates. When I first saw that I though "how cool" but since then have not been able to get anyone to confirm it is real or a practical thing to do. But thanks for the info if I had not read it before it would be quite interesting.

Capt. Wayne Canning, AMS
www.projectboatzen.com
 
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sandpiper10471

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May 31, 2007
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Hunter 37 cutter Blind River
Frequently when a vessel receives an impact on one side, the damage manifests itself on the opposite side. So if you landed to port, the structural damage is likely on the starboard side. Make sure you look beyond the cosmetics which will likely be only on the impact side.
 
RichH

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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oldersalt said:
In my opinion, YOU should pay an independent surveyor to assess all the damage, and YOU should work with your insurance company so they can cooperate with the yard's insurance company. The yard may be perfectly honest, but it would be a perfect example of a conflict of interest to let them repair the boat without independent oversight.
Good luck!
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