Dinghy Outboard - Potential Buyer’s Remorse

Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
My 2013, 4 stroke, 9.8hp Tohatsu weighs 102 lbs. My 1989, 15hp 2 stroke Evinrude weighs 75lbs and 2015, 3.5hp Tohatsu 4 stroke weighs 41lbs. Those are accurate weights.
What I anticipate my 10' dinghy outboard need will be determines whether I will take the 15hp or the 3.5hp on a particular outing. I could also take them both and total weight would slightly exceed weight of a 10hp 4 stroke.

Chief
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,345
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
My 1989, 15hp 2 stroke Evinrude weighs 75lbs and 2015...
Good points by Chief.

This also confirms the often mentioned item that 9 hp and 15 hp motors are essentially the same. My 9.9 hp 1990 2 stroke Evinrude weights 74 lbs.

Maybe the extra weight is the bigger carb!!!:eek::eek::eek:
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Well Stu, we own 2 of the finest 2 stroke outboard motors ever built! That 15 has outrun a 20hp 4 stroke Honda, easily! 25 mph w/ 1 person, even faster with nobody in it!
I guess the point is: if you want hp without so much weight, then buy a 2 stroke!
Quality 2 strokes are quieter and cleaner running than many 2 strokes.
Chief
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
My 2013, 4 stroke, 9.8hp Tohatsu weighs 102 lbs. My 1989, 15hp 2 stroke Evinrude weighs 75lbs and 2015, 3.5hp Tohatsu 4 stroke weighs 41lbs. Those are accurate weights.
Chief
Chief: You must be looking at shipping weights...a 9.8 4-stroke Tohatsu short shaft weighs a smidge over 80 lbs. I know, I have one.
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Gunni: I have the 25" shaft, electric start, 9.8 Tohatsu and I weighed it. Chief
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Well, what we have to remember is we are talking about a dingy motor, and they are all smaller short shaft, pull-starts.
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Gunni: If you look them up they say all of the 9.8's weigh 81lbs. I think if you weigh yours you will find its wet weight exceeds 81 by quite a bit. I weighed mine because of my concern for so much weight on the stern of my 250. I can also tell you that picking them up and carrying the 9.8 or the 15 (75lbs) is no way even close to the same weight! Chief
 
Jun 8, 2004
853
Pearson 26W Marblehead
outboards

my comment is not about a dinghy outboard. Its about what size outboard for my 5000 lb p26w I bought a new tohatsu 8hp 4 stroke Its a great engine quiet dependable etc
Whats wrong for me is it weights 83 lbs too heavy Im 77 I cant pick it up. If I need to remove it from the boat I have to find someone to pick it up and carry it. The new 6hp outboards weight about 55 lbs I can still handle that weight. I find if I have to motor I rarely use half throttle to get hull speed. My advice get the lightest motor that will do the job
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
I've found that oars are excellent for the following reasons:
light weight
no maintenance
no starting issues
no gas storage issues
can be use to sound around the boat after going hard aground
can be use as an anti-boarding device in a pinch
can be use as a flotation device

I find that my 8' hard shell dingy can make it in from a mile out about 2 minutes after a motor driven dingy. I store them on the cabin wall when not using them.
Get the longest ones you can store on board. Longer gives more speed with fewer strokes. Shorter ones give more power for rough weather (kledging off!)
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Bill: Don't mind paddling my kayak each winter fishing the Colorado river but hate rowing anything else. I am in good shape and exercise daily so I suspect rowing is part of your exercise program. Have fun! Chief
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,244
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
I've found that oars are excellent for the following reasons:
light weight
no maintenance
no starting issues
no gas storage issues
can be use to sound around the boat after going hard aground
can be use as an anti-boarding device in a pinch
can be use as a flotation device

I find that my 8' hard shell dingy can make it in from a mile out about 2 minutes after a motor driven dingy. I store them on the cabin wall when not using them.
Get the longest ones you can store on board. Longer gives more speed with fewer strokes. Shorter ones give more power for rough weather (kledging off!)
yea and they make good paddles for stirring the catfish stew
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
.... I find if I have to motor I rarely use half throttle to get hull speed. My advice get the lightest motor that will do the job
Have you ever had to go to weather with or without rain? Against the elements, you'll not go as fast as you might think- and certainly not as fast as a calm day.
 
Sep 8, 2014
2,551
Catalina 22 Swing Keel San Diego
Lots of good advice already posted about pros/cons of diff sized HP outboards, so no need to rehash anything. I guess all that I can add that is hopefully relevant to the discussion is had you ever considered a lower speed/higher torque pitch for the prop? You said one of the key selling points to getting the 15HP was the extra power for getting the mother-ship out of trouble if needed, but at the same time the power can be intimidating when running flat-out. I've never tried straight up towing a hull your size with just a 15 HP, but you can for sure push/pull the bow or stern to help in tight maneuvering in dicey conditions. Short shaft outboards are factory equipped with a prop pitch for the 'average' customer, which typically means flat out best speed (even though a factory rep will say they strike a balance between efficiency, power, and speed... no, no... its just speed, trust me).
So you could benefit from a pitch that is geared more toward torque which gives you the most bang for you buck out of that 15HP when you are pushing the mother-ship hull around... Also, you mentioned runs for provisions and water jugs. When you increase torque you will sacrifice top speed, by how much depends on how far you tip the scales in the direction of torque. This will also effect your fuel efficiency. With less speed you won't get up on plane as fast, more drag=greater fuel consumption (thus the term 'hole shot')... however, with more weight in the boat the extra torque improves your hole shot, but you still will have less top speed; its all quid pro quo.

You also mentioned the weight of the motor is problematic. On your size sailboat do you not have a set of davits that can handle the weight of the motor first, then lift and stow the RIB itself? I imagine you can lift it, you just can't swing it and stow it easily from there, so I guess I answered my own question.
 
May 24, 2004
7,213
CC 30 South Florida
Changing prop pitch for lower end performance could allow the engine to exceed maximum safe RPM. Towing the big boat is just an emergency contingency and not an intended primary use. Choose a prop that will limit top end RPM. With such high power to drag ratio you will have no problems with low to top end performance.
 
Jun 22, 2006
57
Hunter H33 Topeka, KS
I just bought a new tohatsu 6HP and inflatable just shy of 8 feet.

The boat will not plane- even with just one person in it. Does anyone know if this is what I should expect, or perhaps I'm not getting full power from the engine?
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
I just bought a new tohatsu 6HP and inflatable just shy of 8 feet. The boat will not plane- even with just one person in it. Does anyone know if this is what I should expect, or perhaps I'm not getting full power from the engine?
Did you inflate the dingy with a foot pump or hand pump. Most common issue without inflatables is underinflation.
 

pateco

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Aug 12, 2014
2,207
Hunter 31 (1983) Pompano Beach FL
Sailm8,

I have the same engine lift as you, It came on the stargazer when we got her. I have yet to try it out since our dingy is still at the house. (I have to rebuild the carb on the 1953 Evinrude 3.5)


I was thinking of using it to hoist dive gear. How well does it work?
 
May 16, 2007
1,509
Boatless ! 26 Ottawa, Ontario
I just bought a new tohatsu 6HP and inflatable just shy of 8 feet.

The boat will not plane- even with just one person in it. Does anyone know if this is what I should expect, or perhaps I'm not getting full power from the engine?
As mentioned be sure the inflatable is pumped up all the way. I had a 10 ft Mercury inflatable I could plane with an old 4 hp, 2 stroke.

I have the same 6 hp Tohasu engine on a 9' AB RIB with an aluminum bottom. Weighs about 70 lbs. it will not plane. I had the prop "adjusted" from an 8" pitch to a 6" pitch. Lots more pull, gets up on plane if the dinghy is empty and I crawl up to the front. If I add just the 22 lb dog it won't plane.

A few people have complained this motor is over rated on the power, it puts out more like 4 hp instead of 6. Before I had the prop adjusted it did not rev up completely, now I think it hits 5K. In the end I think I'll replace it with a 9.9.

Bob
 

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