Diesel Loss of RPM and power

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Sep 1, 2010
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Catalina 27 Bayshore, NY
Hi,

I had an unsettling Sunday sail, though the first few hours were wonderful, we sailed a little too far and whoops, the wind disappeared. Well I started the engine but, it died after running at 80% power for about an hour and a half. First though, the RPM gradually reduced, along with power and speed, with the engine appearing to recover intermittently. The only working instrument is the temperature gauge, but I wasn't sure I should trust it, it was banging back and forth between 150 and over 200. I went below and couldn't see any signs of unusual heat, in fact could put my hand on the top of the engine and it was simply warm, not really hot. I didn't try to put my hand on any of the lower parts. I tried to manually pull the throttle back at the engine, thinking it might be the linkage slipping, but the symptoms remained.

Eventually it died, I let it lie for 15 minutes or so, then restarted, got full power for maybe 15 minutes, then the symptoms reoccured and the engine died again. The cycle kept repeating though the full power period shortened and shortened, until I gave up and called Sea Tow...

History of the boat and engine:

1982 Catalina 27 (shoal draft, standard rig) with the 11 HP Universal 5411 (sea water cooled 11 hp diesel) meticulously maintained for the past 10 years, not much known before 2000.

No hour meter, but it always starts first try and has had every seasonal maintenance procedure and much more frequent filter changes for the past ten years, the owner until a few weeks ago was a mechanical engineer.

Clue: I've only owned it for a few weeks and have sailed it five days so far. I've been meaning to get the fuel tank flushed, since the ex-owner recommended it (says the fuel in the glass of the first filter should look better than it does [it looks black]) but haven't been able to stop sailing every weekend, I've been having so much fun. Oh well...

One more clue: I went to the local marina and purchased 5 gallons of diesel on Sunday morning. I know it was diesel, it's the very busy Bayshore Shell station, so I don't suspect the fuel, but I did put 5 gallons down the pipe to the tank, maybe stirring up XX already in the tank???? I don't think there was more than a few gallons of old fuel in the tank when I added on Sunday morning.

So, all the books I've read indicate that most problems are fuel problems, and to troubleshoot the entire fuel chain. I haven't read about any incidents like mine though, where the cycle repeated itself over and over while getting shorter and shorter. So I might have overheated engine ruined pistons and now might be facing a big bill...

Anybody have any ideas on what I should do?

I'm thinking of trying the Nigel Calder process of testing fuel, tank, and the whole chain of delivery, but though mechanically inclined and interested, I have no experience. Should I hire a mechanic to come and take a look?

Thanks for any advice!!!

Best, Marc
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Just the usual, filters and pick-up tube. The discription of the problem sounds like fuel flow problems somewhere along the system.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,360
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Yup, change the filters. Take a day off sailing and/or work and do it. You'll enjoy sailing a lot more than posting those long "whazza matter" posts here.

And welcome, nice boat.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Be sure to check the pick up tube in the tank. Many times they have a screen that can be partially plugged.
 
Jun 10, 2004
135
Hunter 30_74-83 Shelburne
There's also an outside chance it could be low on lube oil and the oil pressure alarm or switch isn't talking. Check the crankcase oil level and bring it up to the mark if low.
 
Jun 8, 2004
48
hunter 27 Savannah
very much sounds like a fuel problem. if fuel, pick-up and filters are in good shape
then next time the engine dies you might
bleed the engine right away and restart. if it comes to life there likely is
an air-leak on the low-pressure side. If you suspect your lift pump you can by-pass it with a gravity feed to the secondary filter to see whether the engine runs without the lift
pump in the circuit.
 
Feb 26, 2009
716
Oday 30 Anchor Yacht Club, Bristol PA
Also.. be sure you know how to change fuel filters and Always carry 2 spares! Your tank has sludge, almost guaranteed. Eventually it will get pin holes and start weeping fuel into the bilge. New tanks are cheap.. don't over think it is my humble suggestion.. "been there done that" :)
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I always forget to mention bleeding the fuel system because mine is self bleeding. Run it dry and refuel pump the primer and she fires up.
 

kamper

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Aug 7, 2010
7
Hunter Legend 45 Oceanside, CA
I had similar symptoms except it wouldn't die, just pulsate (I'm whose dying).
Mechanic started with most expensive fixes first after filters - cut access port in tank, polished fuel, replace fuel lines, sea trials (hours @ $90/hr) bypassed tank using jerry cans, then said you're good to go.
When I needed the rpms in headwind and chop it started all over again. I insisted he pull out the p/u tube screen - he finally did. Here's a pic of it. Now I hope its over and fixed.

Don't know if this is your issue, but others claim it to be worth looking into FIRST!!!
Kamper
O'side Hunter 45
Yanmar 4jhte
 

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Jeff

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Sep 29, 2008
195
Hunter 33.5 Carlyle Lake in Central Illinois
You need to take this opportunity to learn the fuel system of your boat inside and out. Fuel problems happen from time to time and with a few tools and spare parts you can learn to fix the problems. It sounds like the previous owner may have let a few maintenance items go. When was the last time the oil and air filter were changed? Diesels don't need much more than clean fuel, air and oil.
 
Jun 6, 2006
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currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Don't stop sailing

It only takes a few minutes to change a fuel filter and bleed a system. I've done it while under sail a few times. Course you are setting yourself up for a tow if you can't get the engine going once you are out. If this is your first time bleeding a fuel system you might want to learn while at the slip.
FWIW
 
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