Deck hardware bedding...

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Sep 23, 2012
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Tartan 33 Warwick, RI
So I tried to read all that was said on this topic... Especially comments and tutorials by maine sail... But I'm not sure about one thing - deck hardware that is not thru bolted - so just screwed into the fiberglass... Bed that with what? Examples on my boat include the attachment points for the dodger, the metal plate (port) over the emergency tiller attachment point, the nicro ports the cowl vents go in (these are plastic) ... To name a few.
 
Oct 14, 2005
2,191
1983 Hunter H34 North East, MD
CMZS...

Something like Boat Life, Life Seal, or 3M 4200 should be more than adequate.

DO NOT USE 3M 5200 for anything you want to remove again later!
 
Oct 26, 2005
2,057
- - Satellite Beach, FL.
Butyl works for those fixtures too. I did all my hardware last spring and nary a leak.
This stuff is easy to use and clean, when I use the tube stuff I get it all over and with the tape I don't even bother masking.
 
May 26, 2009
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Oday 28 West Vancouver
How long can butyl tape be kept? I always put off small sealing jobs so as not to waste the remainder of the tube.
 
Nov 23, 2011
2,023
MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
It looks like indefinably as long as you don't get it dirty. Maybe put it in a plastic zip freezer bag.
I still see stuff that is maybe 30 years old holding up when used to glaze windows in aluminum frames. If you scrape it off and work it with your fingers it becomes pliable and sticky. I wouldn't use it again at that age but its got a good long life.
 

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Sep 24, 2012
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Rodman Spirit 31 Singapore
Hi,

If you are looking for anything that will be completely watertight then i would go with 4200 as a minimum, the tape will work but will not be good in the areas or pieces that will have constant rubbing and friction. Also, if you are in an area that will be subject to frosting then i will not resist as well as the silicone.

Whilst the silicone can be a bit of a pain to do (i.e. it gets everywhere) there are a few ways to remove easily:

1 - WD40 works great
2 - Shape a potato to the converse of a beed if you are doing a window - silicone hates starch ;-)

Agree that if the item will not be removed again then 5200 would be the way to go....but takes longer to completely cure
 
Mar 1, 2012
2,182
1961 Rhodes Meridian 25 Texas coast
I don't even allow silicone to come aboard my boat. NASTY stuff to get rid of. If you get it on a surface, you'll NEVER paint that surface again.

I battled it for 30 years as a furniture refinisher, and again as a boat painter. I HATE the stuff.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I don't even allow silicone to come aboard my boat. NASTY stuff to get rid of. If you get it on a surface, you'll NEVER paint that surface again.

I battled it for 30 years as a furniture refinisher, and again as a boat painter. I HATE the stuff.

Amen! Though there are some uses for it, specifically Beckson products and acrylic or polycarbonate lenses but the stuff contaminates the heck out of gelcoat. Cured silicone laughs at MEK, paint thinner, acetone, mineral spirits, gas, toulene etc. etc.. About the only thing that will get silycone off your gelcoat is a nuclear bomb..;)
 
Nov 23, 2011
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MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
Maine Sail you forgot one thing that will remove silicone. The good old wire wheel. But it removes it by removing the gel coat it's attached to.
I had one of those "you have to be ... kidding" moments yesterday. On a clients house 2 stories up, I found clear silicone to finish the edge ware cedar shingle siding meets yellow brick... Brilliant!
 

cmzs

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Sep 23, 2012
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Tartan 33 Warwick, RI
Thanks for all the replies - I really appreciate the input. I ordered the butyl tape from maine sail and will use it everywhere above the waterline except the ports which are beckson...
 
May 28, 2009
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Hunter 376 Pensacola, FL
Bedding a new hatch

So just to be clear - I need to remove an old Lewmar size 20 low profile hatch and install a new one. This is on a 1995 Hunter and I know the original was bedded in some type of caulk, because I can see where it's squeezed out around the hatch flange. I have two rolls of Maine Sail's butyl tape that I previously purchased. My plan is to pry out the old hatch, clean off as much of the remaining caulk as I can, and then bed the new hatch in a nice layer of butyl rubber. This will work, correct?
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
So just to be clear - I need to remove an old Lewmar size 20 low profile hatch and install a new one. This is on a 1995 Hunter and I know the original was bedded in some type of caulk, because I can see where it's squeezed out around the hatch flange. I have two rolls of Maine Sail's butyl tape that I previously purchased. My plan is to pry out the old hatch, clean off as much of the remaining caulk as I can, and then bed the new hatch in a nice layer of butyl rubber. This will work, correct?
Yes but tighten SLOWLY. I often stand on the hatch frame to compress the butyl then take a turn then stand, take a turn etc.. Our hatches were bedded in 1979 with butyl. I removed one this summer ans it was still 100% bone dry decided not to touch the other one..
 
Mar 20, 2012
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Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
Amen! Though there are some uses for it, specifically Beckson products and acrylic or polycarbonate lenses but the stuff contaminates the heck out of gelcoat. Cured silicone laughs at MEK, paint thinner, acetone, mineral spirits, gas, toulene etc. etc.. About the only thing that will get silycone off your gelcoat is a nuclear bomb..;)
I have found on every occasion that i need to that gasolene or alcohol, either one will remove cured or uncured silicone..... although removing cured silicone is not an instant process, if you have the patience to keep the solvent applied, it will be softened and dissolved or granulated by either fluid...
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I have found on every occasion that i need to that gasolene or alcohol, either one will remove cured or uncured silicone..... although removing cured silicone is not an instant process, if you have the patience to keep the solvent applied, it will be softened and dissolved or granulated by either fluid...
It may appear to be removed but the contamination of the gelcoat is still there. Try to paint over it and you'll see what I mean...
 
Sep 5, 2007
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MacGregor 26X Rochester
How long can butyl tape be kept? I always put off small sealing jobs so as not to waste the remainder of the tube.
That's why a) I used to put off leak repairs for a long time (to collect up enough leaks and/or time to get into it), and b) I switched to butyl tape, which I got from Maine Sail - I keep it in a zip-lock bag, and it's always ready to go. Small repairs can be done without trashing a new tube of goo, and there's no mess. I'm also more likely to take on small leaks when I'm thinking about it, so little by little, the boat is becoming dry.
 
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