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brian, down wind docking is simple. drop all sail and use your bare poles for propulsion.
brian, down wind docking is simple. drop all sail and use your bare poles for propulsion.
Dead-stick landing in 20+ knots
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use your sails as a weathervane. in video his final move was into wind. so main is the choice'
down wind you want only the jib so to weathervane towards the slip. then drop sail and coast in.
down wind you want only the jib so to weathervane towards the slip. then drop sail and coast in.
I would say a 20-30 knot on the beam would be a very tough approach.
You can spring to stop you on your way in with the wind dead aft (using the jib)...
You can spring to stop you on your way in with the wind dead aft (using the jib)...
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Sitting across the fairway from him, I have this exact issue. NO WAY you can do it under sail in that breeze and direction. Once we turn downwind and present 9 feet of transom to the breeze and waves we speed up, and there is no way to scrub it off; except for a serious blast of reverse once we are half way in.I want to see him do it with the wind to his back.
fun fact: over the last 6,000 years that man has been sailing these vessels, he has had combustion engines on board for only the last 100 years and yet the vessels got docked.
don't limit your thinking, there are a lot of sailing skills that are fun to learn that you don't have to be scared of.
example: as you turn down wind drop the lunch hook out.
don't limit your thinking, there are a lot of sailing skills that are fun to learn that you don't have to be scared of.
example: as you turn down wind drop the lunch hook out.
You forget that they used to sit outside the harbor for days until favorable wind and tide appeared. Not as rosy as you think.
A good job, but lucky he must go into the wind to get into his slip; although, I don't suppose he would try it with the wind from another direction! I've done similar many times in a Cal20 that I once owned (no outboard). Our slip was at the end of the fairway, however. Right next to the concrete dock walk. (Thus, no overshooting "allowed"; and no turning around!) The biggest "worry" is the acceleration of the boat as it turns from the reach to head to wind (or nearly), particularly if in a "leisurely" maneuver. There was not much room to slow down before the boat was already entering the slip. If you have good crew, one of them can haul the mainsail/boom forward to back-wind for braking while another steps off and goes forward to stop the bow. I notice he did not do that; but, it may not have been needed. On especially windy days we would go down the fairway with the mainsail partially dropped--but that presents a different problem.
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http://www.boatnerd.com/pictures/historic/perspectives/raymondhreiss/default.htm on this boat 1975 november 10th east bound for lakawana with a load of taconit. eastern lake erie. the storm slammed in earlier than had been forecast. i had been bumped to bosun during a slow year. the wind kicked up to a steady 105 mph. there is no turning around in that. if we checked down we would loose steerage. when we arrived at the traffic buoy we turned for the south entrance of the breakwall. the waves now washed all the way across the deck. remember, you can not stop the thrust as you will loose steerage. 100 yards from the opening of the breakwall we dropped all three 7 ton anchors with maybe 300 ft of chain. it took 3 hours to regain control inside the breakwall. it was wild. finally we got the bow facing the wind , up to the breakwall with 2 anchors down and the engine running 1/2 speed ahead. around dinner the wind subsided to just 60 mph. we pulled up anchor and went to a coke furnace dock to wait to go up to the shanango furnace dock. me and the boys were stripping the deck when the 1st mate came down and told me the fitz was missing. he knew that i had sailed on the fitz in 72'.
captain jack stevens was amazing . it was a fight to not loose the ship. yeah, i've seen a few things. 20 to 30, thats still in the fun zone.
captain jack stevens was amazing . it was a fight to not loose the ship. yeah, i've seen a few things. 20 to 30, thats still in the fun zone.
kings gambit, i have a 69' cal 20 in my collection for the kids trainer. no engine. tough boat. fresh sails
Those videos docking are awesome. Seamanship for sure. Last time I did that was in a Precision 13 (like Laser). This past weekend I needed all 18hp to dock with the wind behind me.
JerryA
JerryA
The best way to learn to dock with out a motor is sail without one. Funny, my Hobie never had a motor, and I never really understood why anyone would need one. Now my boats have motors, and I don't understand how to sail without it. I did have twice last year where I sailed up to the dock without a motor. Once was in 30 mph winds. That was jib only for the last 20 feet and the approach was wide open water. IF you just never start the motor, you tend to discover its not as difficult as you make it out to be.
We used ours to teach kids in as well!kings gambit, i have a 69' cal 20 in my collection for the kids trainer. no engine. tough boat. fresh sails
jon hansen< Crewed in the USS Kidd, DD661 in 1958 in far east. We experienced 50'+ seas 4 or 5 different times during typhoons. Patroled the Formosa straits during the Quemoy-Matsu crisis same year. Chief
Great story. I grew up in Houghton/Hancock in the 70s, probably saw you go by under the bridge. We used to keep track of boats when they did. Now with better weather forecasting and the 1000 ft boats you don't see flags like this there much any more.http://www.boatnerd.com/pictures/historic/perspectives/raymondhreiss/default.htm on this boat 1975 november 10th east bound for lakawana with a load of taconit. eastern lake erie. the storm slammed in earlier than had been forecast. i had been bumped to bosun during a slow year. the wind kicked up to a steady 105 mph. there is no turning around in that. if we checked down we would loose steerage. when we arrived at the traffic buoy we turned for the south entrance of the breakwall. the waves now washed all the way across the deck. remember, you can not stop the thrust as you will loose steerage. 100 yards from the opening of the breakwall we dropped all three 7 ton anchors with maybe 300 ft of chain. it took 3 hours to regain control inside the breakwall. it was wild. finally we got the bow facing the wind , up to the breakwall with 2 anchors down and the engine running 1/2 speed ahead. around dinner the wind subsided to just 60 mph. we pulled up anchor and went to a coke furnace dock to wait to go up to the shanango furnace dock. me and the boys were stripping the deck when the 1st mate came down and told me the fitz was missing. he knew that i had sailed on the fitz in 72'.
captain jack stevens was amazing . it was a fight to not loose the ship. yeah, i've seen a few things. 20 to 30, thats still in the fun zone.
As long as the words "Watch this!" Were not uttered beforehand its all good. Bad things usually happen after those two infamous words are spoken.
Sam
Sam
I swear I heard, very faintly and from the general direction of his boat, "I got this, hold my beer"!