DDW Revisited; Myth vs. Reality

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Jun 5, 1997
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Coleman scanoe Irwin (ID)
Last week several threads scrolled by in which the controversial "to DDW or not to DDW" issue came up. It didn't take long, of course, before someone incanted the magic words "DDW is slow" and most of the congregation dutifully harmonized. The world of sailing is chockfull of similar mantras; viz, "the best time to reef is when you first think about it", "a good coastal cruiser is not a bluewater boat", "you can't sail faster than hull speed", "the higher the csf (capsize screening factor) the lower the probability of capsizing", "paper charts are more reliable than electronic charts", "beating to windward is the least comfortable point of sail", “finkeelers don’t heave-to well", & s.o. & s.f. What these one-liners do have in common is that they are sometimes correct, often wrong and always misleading! Let’s focus on the DDW issue for now. Racers are obviously better informed about what makes boats go fast than daysailers and cruisers. Thus, they usually manage to put their stamp on DDW discussions by trotting out polar diagrams and other simplified performance indicators of sailing vessels operating under rarefied conditions of perfect trim, perfect ballast distribution and zero wave effects. Before discussing what polar diagrams do NOT tell us, let’s take a fresh look at the polars of the semi-displacement Catalina designs discussed in last week’s threads. The Catalina 30 polars in the attached image (highly similar to those of the Catalina 42) reveal that under the abovementioned ideal conditions a DDW course only produces lower VMGs to a DDW destination at true wind velocities less than 16 knot (i.e. ~10 knot apparent). In other words, under conditions of flat water, plus perfect trim and ballast semidisplacement designs such as these Catalinas might as well sail a DDW course to a DDW mark in anything stronger than light winds…. I did not search for Hunter, Beneteau or Jeanneau polars but would be VERY amazed to find substantially different results. So what to expect when running in big seas rather than in flat water? Sailing vessels taking large swells on the stern will generally try to “square off” (i.e. run DDW if waves and wind are aligned), in order to minimize yawing. Yawing vessels lose VMG through the zigzagging as well as through being pushed sideways part of the time. Vessels failing to square off will not only experience severe yawing but will also be heeled, usually producing strong weather helm because of the torque created by the lateral separation between the center of effort and the center of lateral resistance. In this case, the helmsperson (or autopilot or windvane) can only prevent a round-up by fast rudder action, in effect “applying the brakes” And what about the additional effects of imperfect trim, slightly baggy sails, overloaded lockers and bilges and poorly distributed ballast characterizing the vast majority of non-racing daysailers and cruising vessels? Again, in anything from a fresh breeze, and up, poorly trimmed vessels will tend to heel more, thus usually requiring a liberal dose of “rudder drag” to stay the course, Unless sailed DDW, of course. DDW is flat. Flat is fast. Ergo, …….(you figure it out). The unanswered question here is: if not slow in moderately strong winds, why is sailing DDW so unpopular?? On this particular board I see two reasons for that lack of popularity: (1) with B&R and/or fractional rigs it is nearly impossible to properly trim the main for DDW; and (2) in stronger winds DDW often becomes a bit scary. Whereas nearly every skipper loves to sail wing-on-wing from time to time, it takes lots of concentration, particularly in bigger waves. In fact, a single unexpectedly big or errant wave can easily precipitate an uncontrolled jibe. With regard to easy DDW sail plans: a decade or two ago so-called “double head rigs” were popular among cruisers, enabling the use of wing-on-wing genoas or yankees set on whiskerpoles, often with the main centered and reefed down to provide stability against rolling. On Rivendel II we have often used a variant of the double headrig in which we fly a poled-out genoa and staysail wing-on-wing (see link). We also center, reef down and flatten the main to reduce rolling (the last thing we want to do is to dip a whisker pole in the drink at -- or above -- hull speed). IMHO, there is no easier and safer downwind sailplan to fly on longer passages. Unfortunately, properly setting both poles with topping lifts and fore + after guys is quite a bit of work, especially if the wind shifts just far enough to have to switch the jibs and poles again. This makes the use of this set-up less attractive for short-handed daysailing. Fair winds and following seas, Flying Dutchman
 

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Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
"By and large..."

... and "at the end of the day," you are "right on the money...."
 
Jan 13, 2006
134
- - Chesapeke
Duuh,

I wish I was smart enough to understand all the charts and graphs that show up on this board.
 
Feb 1, 2006
114
oday 22 on trailer Asheville NC
Fer crying out loud HENK

Thanks Rick S for simplifying that dialogue. i don't think i could remember all those 3 & 4 letter abbreviations. Three cheers for the admiral.
 
Jun 7, 2004
383
Schock 35 Seattle
If I understand your argument

sailing DDW in normal breezes is not appreciably slower than sailing a broad reach. But, I hope you are not maintaining that for most mid 30's sloops DDW is faster! Since I find sailing DDW nervewracking and hurts my neck looking up at the windex to do it, why would I make myself uncomfortable to sail slower? Also making the Admiral uncomfortable is not a good strategy for short handed sailing--unless you want to practise single-handing.
 
Oct 25, 2005
735
Catalina 30 Banderas Bay, Mexico
DDW Myth?

Lets keep looking at the C30. (Since I have the polar in front of me) To reduce the risk of Gybing unintentionally it makes sense to steer high enough so a "normal" course deviation does not put the boat by the lee. In 6 knots true a 5 degree course change sailing dead downwind creates a 10+ degree change in the apparent wind. Sailing the optimum angle of 144 true (103 apparent) gives a huge margin of error before there is any danger of a gybe. In 12 knots true the the apparent wind changes a bit less than 10 degrees for a 5 degree course change. The optimum angle of about 165 degrees true (152 apparent) allows a 15 off course excursion before there is a gybe risk. In 20 true the optimum course is 175 degrees and the apparent wind changes about 8 degrees for a 5 degree course change. You cannot make a 6 degree error without risking a gybe. If you sail just high enough to allow a 15 error you don't give up much VMG (less than 2%) and you don't have to worry so much about the gybe. Even in 20 knots true a C30 with a full main and spinnaker up should heel less than 5 degrees at any apparent wind angle up to 130 degrees. The point for me is there is no need to endure the typical rolling and critical steering in 20 knots when sailing DDW or close to it, when a simple course change of 10 degrees settles the boat down and costs next to nothing in downwind VMG. True wind 175 = VMG 7.082, True wind 165 = VMG 6.996 Cruising spinnakers work well as low as 160 degrees apparent, that puts the boat right in the 165 degree sweet spot. The reason boats roll when DDW is that the wind eddys back and forth behind each sail. The flow on the sails reverses constantly and the boat rolls. Heading up just enough to stop the reverse flow eddies makes the boat more comfortable. I agree that twin headsails are a good option for sailing downwind. Run a light genoa up on the spare jib halyard in the second groove of the furler. Pole out the windward sail and play with trim so the boat wants to steer herself. Sailing a cutter with the staysail and genoa poled out on either side of the boat, it doesn't surprise me that you need the main for roll dampening. Two sails on the forestay and the staysail doused would probably roll less.
 
Jun 5, 1997
659
Coleman scanoe Irwin (ID)
Tom: DDW may well produce faster VMGs

The argument is that if DDW is not slower (in terms of VMG towards a DDW target) than a broad reach when sailing in a good breeze on flat water (as shown by the polars) then it could very well be faster than a broad reach (again in terms of VMG to a DDW target) when running with a sizeable swell on the stern. The recommended wing-on-wing headsail solution for DDW sailing avoids complaints from the helmsperson as well as from the admiral. The helm requires very little input since the vessel pretty much steers itself. Moreover, on a DDW course the motion of most vessels in big swells tends to be much easier than when taking these swells on the port or starboard quarters. Flying Dutchman
 
Jun 5, 1997
659
Coleman scanoe Irwin (ID)
Moody: gybing is no issue with twin headsails

Neither is "critical steering". Double headsails (whether set on one forestay, two forestays or one forestay and an inner stay) pretty much take all the tension and risk out of DDW sailing. This is especially true if each headsail has its own furler and the whisker poles are set with their own topping lifts and guys so each headsail can be deployed, reefed or furled at a moment's notice without requring anyone to go on the foredeck, e.g. in sudden squalls or katabatic winds. Your point about the potentially greater roll stability of two headsails set on the forestay is well taken. Fortunately, however, a centered, reefed and flattened main (which is still appreciably larger than the typical trawler anti-roll sail) dampens rolling quite well. In many days of DDW running in big tradewind swells we never dipped a whisker pole. Moreover, even with twin headsails on one or two forestays I would still be inclined to use a centered, reefed and flattened main to achieve more highly redundant mast support. Flying Dutchman
 
Jun 6, 2006
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currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Cost VS benefit

For a racer 10 seconds is a big deal. For a cruiser 10 minutes is not. For a racer messing with the sails every 5 seconds is expected, for a cruiser messing with the sails every 15 minutes is a real pain. SO If you are going racing have at it!!! If you are cruising DDW to anything less than about 3000 miles away I'm going to tack once a day. This is assuming I can get the wind to blow the same direction for 3000/6= 21 days. yea right A more telling question is, What is the farthest you have ever sailed DDW and what way your sail configuration?
 
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