Day shapes

[sailortonyb Allied Mis]

Kloudie1

The key to doing this project successfully is to hold the fabric stationary and rotate the sewing machine. Sheesh!! Do I have to draw you a picture?
OK, here is what I did. I drove down the highway, picked up (borrowed) a highway cone, and painted it black. A state trooper was watching the whole thing. As soon as I inverted the cone, it confused him, and he drove off.
BTW, how are things in Mandeville? I haven't been there since Katrina.

Tony B

 

[jviss]

Tony B.,

Why don't you start a separate thread entitled "inane humor?" You're messing up this thread.

 

[Ross]

Look out Tony! There is a new sheriff in town.

The next thing is, what material is permitted for cone construction? And is the size important? Some folk think size matters!

 

[Ross]

In the reports of collisions that we read about here

I doubt that lights, dayshapes or a .50 cal. gun would make very much difference.

 

[BobM]

Double duty for the cone...

...maybe you can catch rainwater with it when you are cruising.

 

[Don12364]

WOW - THREE Versions of the COLREGS

The "International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea" - i.e. the COLREGS (or IRPCS) - were adopted by IMO (International Maritime Organisation) on 20 October 1972 and came into force on 15 July 1977.

They apply to all international waters; but not necessarily to the inland waters, of the signatory countries of SOLAS (Convention for the "Safety of Life at Sea").
The UK signed in 1949 and USA in 1950.
There are no other internationally agreed rules to which all vessels of all flags must comply.


Amendments have been made up to 29 November 2001 when the Entry into force date was 29 November 2003. It is an ongoing process.

As far as I am able to determine no changes to Rule 25 have been made and it remains as shown in my previous posting. i.e. no relief from wearing a motorsailing cone for vessels under 12 metres LOA (approx 39').

A court, and possibly your insurance company, would not look too kindly upon a yacht involved in a collision if she were not complying with the 'rule of the road at sea'.

 

[JungleJetJock]

No need to make day shapes

You can buy them.

http://www.landfallnavigation.com/daymark.html

Although they will be about as useless as air conditioning in the arctic.

 

[Timo42]

You can get the dayshapes from WM

But the clerk will have no clue as to what you are talking about. I guess the WM in MDR is more used to selling fenders to powerboaters ;D I have an anchor ball, because when I started out, I wanted to do everything right, once I got out there, I found my money would have been better spent on a .50 cal Nothing like a 30' Searay planing across your bow while at anchor in the lee of one of the islands in Long Beach harbor *grr Tim

 

[jviss]

Current rules per teh USCG

Donalex,

I think you are wrong. Visit:

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rules/Rule25.htm

there you will find:

"(e) A vessel proceeding under sail when also being propelled by machinery shall exhibit forward where it can best be seen a conical shape, apex downwards. A vessel of less than 12 meters in length is not required to exhibit this shape, but may do so. [Inld]"

 

[Ross]

12 meters about 40 feet , no?

How many 45 something plus boats display anything different than the short boats?

 

[jviss]

Many do

I often anchor in Edgartown, on the outside. All of the larger boats with captains and crews aboard display the anchor ball. Note this are is not inland.

I'm talking about boats that are typically 60+ feet for sail, 100+ feet for power.

On August 16th/17th I saw Eric Clapton's yacht Blue Guitar - 105', hailing port London. They showed the anchor ball.

 

[Warren Milberg]

Any one know of a case

where a recreational boat (of any size) has been cited by the USCG (or any other authority) for not showing a steaming cone or anchoring ball? If so, I'd appreciate reference....

 

[Don12364]

JVISS

As I said in my previous - WOW.
I know its a bore but I downloaded pages 78 & 79 from the USCG site shown in your last. They are shown below. I think this should clear the matter up.
As I read it no relief for under 12 m when in international waters.

Regards,
Don

—INTERNATIONAL—
Lights and Shapes
RULE 25—CONTINUED
(e) A vessel proceeding under sail when also being propelled by
machinery shall exhibit forward where it can best be seen a conical shape,
apex downwards.
Vessel proceeding under sail when also being propelled by
machinery. Same for Inland except that a vessel of less than
12 meters in length is not required to exhibit the dayshape.
78
—INLAND—
Lights and Shapes
RULE 25—CONTINUED
(e) A vessel proceeding under sail when also being propelled by
machinery shall exhibit forward where it can best be seen a conical shape,
apex downward. A vessel of less than 12 meters in length is not required to
exhibit this shape, but may do so.
79

 

[Ross]

Donalex, What is the Admiralty rule on this?

Surely Great Brittian doesn't rely on the USCG in this regard.

 

[jviss]

Yes, I think you're on to someting...

Donalex, you have a point - wow, I agree!

So, I just downloaded those pages and re-read them. You are right, for International Rules, there is no exemption for vessels under 12m.

 

[Maine Sail]

Day shapes and Anchor balls..??

Hell approximately 70% of the boats we've witnessed anchoring, over night, in the past week have not even displayed a night time anchor light. Do you really expect anyone to display an anchor ball when anchored during the day if the vast majority won't even do it at night when it's really a safety issue. I'm constantly horrified at the number of boats who do not run an anchor light at night when on the hook. They seem to have enough battery power for everything else but the anchor light..?? In one cove there were six boats anchored and we were the only boat with an anchor light on.

That being said I have never know anyone that has been cited for not displaying day shapes on a recreational sail boat even ones over 40 feet..

P.S. My day shapes have about as much dust and probably mold on them as my lead line does.

 

[Tom S]

Maine Sail -- Where r u at ? Is it a designated anchorage on the charts

Is it at least a "well known anchorage" ?

I have to admit that I don't usually use my anchor light in the "Sand Hole" and not sure its 'officially' designated an anchorage. Everyone knows that is all it is though

Zoom into the center of this chart just below Llyods Point

http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/12365.shtml

 

[Don12364]

Ross - Admiralty Rule

Hi Ross,
In the UK we just go on the Colregs which have international standing and nobody bothers what the Admiralty thinks as they will surely comply with these rules to the letter.

 

[Frenchie3958]

Same Rule in FRANCE

After spending this day with 2 Knots wind, all boats were using motor and none of them had the cone. I did use it long time ago but because I was the only guy with the cone I decided to store it and never use it. I always use my anchor light and check it before leaving the harbour (don't risk climbing the mast in middle of the sea).

 

[cat38skip]

Cited for non-use

Warren

In answer to your question about being cited for not showing proper lights:

A number of years ago while motoring out at night after a race in which we had ripped the steaming light off the mast during an exciting sail change, we were stopped and told to show proper lights or return to harbor or be cited for not having a working steaming light at night. All of our other navigation lights were working ok.

Sooo ... Yes it does happen!