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Dec 25, 2008
1,580
catalina 310 Elk River
What works, what does not?
Forespar Nova 153302
http://www.allinflatables.com/shopping/davits/fs/davit.html

Martek 370
http://martekdavits.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1

OMS SD-40
http://www.yachtsofstuff.com/userPostings.asp?xID=yachtsofstuff&cexs=ocmar

Garhauer
http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=81

Requirements:
Rail mount on C310
Beam: 56"
Weight 89lb without motor 144lb with.
Rotating- to fold up, and maybe to help lift the motor with one of the arms when partially folded.

I'm leaning toward the Forespar Nova because of the easy folding setup and longer reach to accommodate the dual use of lifting of the motor onto to the rail. It is however made of 304 SS not sure in my low NaCl cruising environment that is really a concern.

Any comments would be much appreciated.
 

Eric M

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Sep 30, 2008
159
Island Packet 35 Jacksonville
We have Davits from Kato Marine and I have been very pleased with their customer support. They have an extensive database of application of their products and may be able to provide some guidance to installation on your boat. One feature that we have is the removable stablizer bar that connects the two arms together and prevents them from swinging back and forth when installed. I can't imagine being able to secure the dinghy without this feature. Check it out at:
http://www.katomarine.com/saildavits-stabilizers.htm
I would look at the spec's for all the models you are considering, particularly strength per arm. You mention the weight of your dingy and motor. Fuel is ~8 pounds per gallon so a 3 gallon tank is an extra 25 pounds. Add a bit of water that always seems to be in the bottom of a dinghy esp if you happen to forget to pull the drain plug and it rains (been there, done that). Now assume you are at sea and the dinghy is swiging even a little bit and it is pretty easy to imagine the full weight applied on one of your support arms.
Good Luck
--Eric
 
Dec 25, 2008
1,580
catalina 310 Elk River
Yea, I have been talking to Kato too, they seem to know what they are doing, but considerable more when you add the necessities. They have vertical rail support bars that provide support for your existing rails for $360, not sure it I really need them, the rail system on my 310 is pretty stiff. I suppose I could make my own if I think I need them, or maybe just one on the transom end.
 
Mar 12, 2008
557
Jeanneau 49 DS San Pedro, CA
I looked at Kato and Garhauer both. I ended up with Garhauer. The design and the materials were almost the same. The price on the other hand, was very different. Garhauer beat the competition by far. And when I thought about every other piece of Garhauer equipment I've had, all of which was excellent, I bought the Garhauer.
 
Dec 25, 2008
1,580
catalina 310 Elk River
Stu, I like the idea, but how did your skipper friends support for lateral stability? Got any pics? The Garhauer site has very little information, and no pics?
 
Nov 8, 2009
537
Hunter 386LE San Fancisco
Witzend,

Garhauer will custom make your dinghy davits any height and reach you want. They normally fabricate out of 304 stainless steel (unsure of benefits of 316 stainless steel that Market specifies vs, 304 stainless steel in a marine environment but Garhauer may fabricate out of 316 stainless steel, just ask) and includes a cross brace for lateral stability. They sell their package with a 6:1 purchase system, cleats, cross brace, swivels inward flush to the stern, etc. It can be designed to accommodate a future solar panel. They are by far the lowest cost. Call Mark at Garhauer at 909-985-9993 to discuss option and design. They sell a DD6-1 priced at $1075 for 1” diameter tubing and a little more for 1.25” diameter. I plan to purchase and install a Garhauer DD6-1.
 
Dec 25, 2008
1,580
catalina 310 Elk River
Stephen, I like the Garhauer as well, but I'm trying to kill 2 birds with one stone, and the DD6-1 design will not allow for easy rotation. I don't want to buy a motor winch and want to use one of the arms to pull the motor to the rail, or as close as I can get. The Forespar Nova does. If I use the the DD6-1 and then install the LD6-1 w/26 they are going to interfere with each other when trying to rotate the LD6-1 in order to get the engine onto the rail. Unfortunately I have limited space. I'm still working on how I can accomplish this.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Use oars

You can dump 25 lb of gas + 50 lb of motor with 4 lb oars. I don't even have a motor and can dink in from just about anyplace. Takes me about 10 minutes to go a mile in calm conditions. You can row a dink faster than most folks can walk and we ARE on sail time. they also don't requrie much in the way of maintenance. Just be sure you get them as long as possible and they still fit in the boat for sotrage. Also consider getting a fitted cover for the dink to keep the water out. A clogged drain and a good rain can add several hundred pounds to your dink.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Stephen, I like the Garhauer as well, but I'm trying to kill 2 birds with one stone, and the DD6-1 design will not allow for easy rotation. I don't want to buy a motor winch and want to use one of the arms to pull the motor to the rail, or as close as I can get. The Forespar Nova does. If I use the the DD6-1 and then install the LD6-1 w/26 they are going to interfere with each other when trying to rotate the LD6-1 in order to get the engine onto the rail. Unfortunately I have limited space. I'm still working on how I can accomplish this.
Witz,

Unless you have an EASY way to disconnect your lateral bracing you DO NOT want floppy rotating davits and you DO want and need lateral support to prevent them from swinging.

You'll have to trust me on this as I have owned davits on three boats now and used them on many others. You do want 316, your Catalina rails are 316. I had a Forespar NovaLift that rusted up in weeks and looked like crap in no time, removed it, polished it and sold it at a big loss. I currently have OMS davits and they have been great and no rust. I have also used St. Croix but find the quality of the OMS to be better. Kato is also good. Garhauer makes great stuff but 316 is worth it to me.

My first set of St. Croix davits were ordered without lateral suppoort, it was a disaster. Support was added quickly.

To buy davits because they are easy to fold is a poor use of the product IMHO as you will soon find you are cross bracing them to prevent swinging of the dinghy.. Cross braces also make a great spot for solar.. Your boom can easily lift a dinghy motor and get it up to deck level too.

A good way to hoist motors is via a radar pole, if you have one, or dedicated motor hoist. Your davits won't get it high enough anyway to make them much more than a poor excuse for a motor hoist.

As Bill said do not forget to pull the plug on the dink when it is in the davits or your stern push pit could wind up in the bay..
 
Dec 25, 2008
1,580
catalina 310 Elk River
Hey Maine, thanks for your valued input.
I'm very concerned about lateral slop and triangles are the best structure for stability. Most of the stabilizers form a rectangle except for Kato's design, that use a bar and some criss-cross lines and the Forespar use of triangulation .
I talked with Mark at Garhouer and he says that they build theirs out of 304 with a chemical finish and have never had any problems. He says the add strength of the 304 is preferable.
 
Dec 25, 2008
1,580
catalina 310 Elk River
I talked with Mike (this guy is great!!!) again at Garhauer and I think the DD6-1 is the way to go. He wants to mount them outside the seats and will extend the height at no additional cost! That will provide a wider more stable foot print and help match the dink hoist points, it will also solve the interference problem with the LD6-1 lift cause I can now mount it inside the seats.
 
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Oct 14, 2005
2,191
1983 Hunter H34 North East, MD
Witz...

Can't wait until Spring when I can sit in the cockpit and watch your project progress! Hoping I won't learn any new sailing terms... :dance:
 
Jan 10, 2009
590
PDQ 32 Deale, MD
I cannot think a single sufficient reason why, if I were considering custom davits, that I would ever need to remove the motor. Not fun, if a big motor, not needed if small. Work it out so the motor stays put.
 
Dec 25, 2008
1,580
catalina 310 Elk River
That's fine for fair weather sailing, but if you get in a jam, you'll will wish you had the option. How about when you need to work on it, yea that's fun when attached to the dink and you're out gunk-holing around. It's always good to have options.
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,099
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
Let's consider the dinghy mounting details...

I agree with you completely regarding a choice of Garhauser for your davits. I got mine from them as well although there were other high quality suppliers too.

In your post above your said ".....That will provide a wider more stable foot print and help match the dink hoist points,...." This statement has me concerned.

One of the not-so-obvious mounting requirements is to have the tips of the arms inside of the dinghy lift points. That is, to put it another way, the distance between the davit hoist points should be less than the distance between the dinghy attachment points. Here is why.....

If the hoist points and the dinghy attachment points are equal in distance apart, four lines drawn between the hoist points, the hoist to dinghy attachment points, and between the dinghy attachment points forms a rectangle. Because the hoist lines can move athwart-ships, the dinghy will be allowed to move also from port to stbd. The movement is the same as a parallelogram where the corners can change from 90 degrees to a value either more or less. A dinghy tied in this manner will be very difficult to secure from sideways movement. ANY movement of the dinghy will offer the possibility of chafe and damage.

By making the distance between the ends of the davit arms less than the attachment points of the dinghy, the parallelogram is transformed into a trapezoid shape. As your boat heels, the lifting line closest to the water will become more vertical and the weight of the dinghy will not tend to cause it to move toward the down side (athwart-ships). Quite the opposite will occur if the distances are equal because the lifting lines will both become tilted in the same direction and that will promote movement of the dinghy toward the water- athwart-ship movement.

In addition, if the lifting lines are both vertical (due to equal distances between the davit arms and the dinghy lift attachment points), these lines are likely to chafe on the outboard motor or the inside of the dinghy tubes. Take a look at the first two pictures below. This shows the lift lines both vertical. Notice how close they are to the transom and to the bow tubes. An outboard motor would definitely be in the way and the bow tube are in danger of being chafed.

To solve this problem I tried a number of different tying techniques including tying a line between the dinghy attachment points and then attaching the lift lines to that line. Nothing that I tried worked. So I went back to Mike at Garhauser and explained the problem and bought a few more parts- a couple of pole clamps, eight eye ends, a short piece of 1" tubing, and a handful of fasteners to attach everything.

What I did was to cut the two braces that connect between the arms that held them fixed. I put in end eyes on both ends of the braces and adjusted the distance between the davit arms to be about 10-12" less than the dinghy attachment points. However since I now had pivots on each end of the braces, I had to add an additional brace in the middle connecting the two athwart-ship braces. See the next pictures below.

Now I the configuration that will discourage the dinghy from moving athwart-ships when heeled and the lift lines are away from the outboard motor and the bow tubes. The davit system is completely rigid as it should be.

I realize that this explanation is a bit complicated, but the design of the dinghy tie-up is complicated itself although it looks simple.
 

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Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
That's fine for fair weather sailing, but if you get in a jam, you'll will wish you had the option. How about when you need to work on it, yea that's fun when attached to the dink and you're out gunk-holing around. It's always good to have options.
Despite what a manufacturer tells you davits are NOT suitable for rough weather use. Basically if it is too rough to leave the motor on, the dink should be lashed to the deck and not carried in the davits...
 
Dec 25, 2008
1,580
catalina 310 Elk River
Despite what a manufacturer tells you davits are NOT suitable for rough weather use. Basically if it is too rough to leave the motor on, the dink should be lashed to the deck and not carried in the davits...
Precisely my point you need options.
 
Jan 10, 2009
590
PDQ 32 Deale, MD
Precisely my point you need options.
Yeah, Yeah I knew that would stir things. Not a problem, among friends!

Yes, options are great, I'm an engineer and I fully believe in Murphy. What I really meant was to think about the option of designing for davits that would better hold the tender with the motor in place. Maybe and extra brace or arm to steady things or to support things. Maybe the halyard lifts the motor while the davit tackle keeps it away from the transom. That is the beauty of custom work; you have a blank sheet of paper.

My opinions are colored, no doubt, by the general case that catamarans can carry a tender on davits in more weather and with more security, because the tender is forward of the transom and between 2 hulls. In fact, I have worked on the motor (rebuilt carb) while it was hanging in the davits, standing in the sugar scoop. I did have to be careful not to drop anything. I've replaced many shear pins standing in the scoops.

Really, I simply meant that I would be more interested in having strong davits than in having a lift. And with a 31' boat a small dingy with a small motor shouldn't require a herculean lift, unless you fall for the gotta-have-a-fast-tender 9.9 hp 4-stroke bug. I see some ridiculous tenders out there, that are more trouble than they seem worth.

Really, the Chesapeake never dishes out anything where you can't keep the tender on davits (good davits), unless you really choose your weather poorly. I've been cruising her for over 20 years. And hoisting that tender onto the deck is not going to be easy, so now is a good time to plan to make that rare.
 
Dec 25, 2008
1,580
catalina 310 Elk River
Rich, thanks so much for taking the time to sharing this information in such detail!
What you are pointing out is something I had not even considered. Seems like this was quite a problem and although your solution was rather complicated, it demonstrates how important careful thinking is before you commit to a design.
Questions,
1) Why didn't you just re-mount the arms closer together to solve the problem?
2) What do the vertical bars connect to that go up from your rails, and are they under tension or compression?
3) What do you do with your motor, assuming you have one?
 
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