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tcbro · Mar 28, 2007

I agree, get a survey

That makes sense, your insurance company will probably require it anyway and your marina will probably require the insurance. One thing you guys are overlooking, she said the hull is freshly painted and the engine is new. That tells me that the hull was repaired and it has been repowered. I recommend that you peer into every crack and crevise that gives you access to the inside of the hull(use flashlights and mirrors to see around corners). Look for repairs here. If there was a major hull repair a surveyor will be able to determine if it was properly done or not. That's one of the good things about fiberglass, it is very repairable to someone who knows how to do it properly.If you can't see any hull damage then I would bet that the damage was cosmetic and nothing to worry about. If the engine is new....nothing to worry about. The electronic gear has been stolen (or removed)so you knew you would have to replace that going in.....again, no worries.I also agree that you and your surveyor should assess exactly what you are dealing with before you spend any more money. Sit down with your surveyor and work out a list of priorities, then get started.Toms/v Orion's Child

Don · Mar 28, 2007

The bent "thingy"

is called a strut. Best of luck with the "new" boat. By rebuilding her, you guys will learn much. Enjoy the experience and take your time.

Dave C20469 · Mar 28, 2007

A few resources

Barbara Ann,Sounds like the clouds are lifting and you're doing the right things.Here are a few resources for you to look at:http://www.andrews.com/kysc/terms.html - Nautical terminology. Just don't use too much at once or everyone will peg you as a newbie for sure!

http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/menunew.tpl?fno=499.32&uid=F is the Irwin specific forum here - you'll get a lot of help from people who know your type of boat.Also, http://www.irwinyachts.com/ - homepage for Irwin Yachts (including information on refurbishing Irwins!

)Good luck!Dave Crowleys/v Wind Dreamer II

BobW · Mar 28, 2007

Let the sun shine in!

But cover up the boat for sure..... and not just where you think rain might get in. Throw as many tarps as you have over it, because leaks have a nasty habit of happening 10 feet from where you think they are.

That 'thingie' is a prop strut, and the shaft turns inside it on what is called a 'cutless bearing'. Make SURE you get that checked out before you put the engine in gear or get the boat wet.And a free survey, too!Fiberglass is thinner than you'd think..... I was surprised about that. 'Wet deck' usually refers to a boat that heels a lot.... that's the salty term for tipping over when sailing. When you heel enough that water is on the deck, you've got a 'wet deck'. Don't worry, you don't HAVE to sail with your decks awash, but sometimes it's fun.Welcome to the sailing community! Cheers,Bobs/v X SAIL R 8

Don · Mar 28, 2007

Head

It is possible to plumb a fresh water head to your boat. This would require a dedicated water tank for the head. The advantage is 2 fold: no hole thru the hull to obtain water and no micro-organisims that come with that water. Those little devils will create a nice stink if not treated.Get a copy of Peggy's, the Head Mistress, book on marine heads. It can be found on this site.

higgs · Mar 29, 2007

thingy

I think you are refering to the prop strut, which is probably bronze. I am not absolutely positive, but I don't think you want to just bend it back as I would suspect that would compromise its strength and breaking one of these when under power can be disasterous. It is not actually part of the hull, but bolted on using machine screws. On the outside, the base of this fitting is covered with a fairing material - kind of an epoxy putty, that hardens and then is sanded smooth . when done correctly, the strut will look like part of the hull. These, like virtually all parts on a boat, can be replaced.The zippers in the lining are for access to the inside of the cabin top. Often, people will add blocks (pulleys) and other equipment to the cabin top. These access pockets will allow one to put a backing plate, washer and nut on the machine screw used to attach the part. I suspect when you say streams of light, you don't mean that the cabin top has cracks in it, but that you can see light through the fiberglass. this is not uncommen. Many manufacturers paint the inside of the glass and then you won't see that. FG is somewhat translucent.Irwins may be a little more translucent as they were not known for not making their fiberglass very thick, I owned a '73 Irwin for 12 years and have only fond memories of the boat covering virtually all of Lake Michigan with the boat. It was certainly solid enough for coastal cruising and the 70 mile shot across Lake Michigan. I do think the chainplates (where the rigging holding up the mast attaches to the deck) on Irwins are a little small. There are other corner cutting things Irwin did. Leaky windows are a notorious weakness with Irwins and the plexiglass will be too thin, but that can be modified in time.

Doug13108 · Mar 29, 2007

Things are definitely looking up

Not only are you getting a surveyor that you have some reason to trust. But, you are also getting a survey on your own boat. This very different from a pre-purchase survey on someone else’s boat which is typically full of qualifications like - “unable to determine actual condition without removing .....” Be present during the survey, be prepared to help, and make sure this guy knows that he should feel free to remove, poke, disassemble anything he needs to in order to determine actual condition. And treat him/her right.

BobW · Mar 29, 2007

Fresh-water toilet....

as mentioned before, your boat originally had a proper marine toilet plumbed in. Since you said it had a chemical toilet in the head, you'll want to check out the whole plumbing system before installing a marine toilet, since there is probably a reason it got taken out.Rather than doing the whole fresh-water toilet routine with a dedicated tank (don't even THINK of just putting in a Tee in your existing fresh-water system), I just use the shower head to spray fresh water into the toilet for flushing. Not contact with the toilet, no chance of nasties getting into the water supply. I only open the salt-water seacock if we're out for a few days and want to conserve our fresh water. So we get the advantages of fresh-water flushing, but maintain the flexibility of the salt-water system when we need it.While your mast is down, you might want to check/replace the cables inside it. If you do, don't forget to keep it from banging the inside of the mast - very bad for sleep at anchor. Just use tie-wraps on the bundle of wiring, put 3 every 3 feet or so, and leave the ends on them, pointed out. Another thing to think about is an LED anchor light - less power consumption, longer life.Cheers,Bobs/v X SAIL R 8

Nice N Easy · Mar 29, 2007

Seadance

I spend a lot of time over around Cat Island, Ship Island and Dauphin island in the summer time. Let me be the first to offer you and yours a liquid refreshment some evening when anchored up around there. Or tie up and have dinner some time over at Lulu's. There are lots of Slidell boats go over that way. And nope, not hitting on you. (GRIN) Invite is for you, hubby, kids and whoever else you have aboard.

Brian D · Mar 30, 2007

SEADANCE...

I am living vicariously through your postings and wanting for everything to turn out perfectly. Please keep us posted on your progress.

Landsend · Mar 30, 2007

Is it only me or do the Seadance owners....

seem to be a bunch of whiner's. They bought a boat, so fix it and get on with your life.

Dave C20469 · Mar 30, 2007

Bad day Landsend?

I know there are a lot of really experienced people on these boards, so maybe the newbies need their own forum to keep the thought of actually asking for help away from you?Sheesh, is it just me or is there a grump on this thread? It's a single thread, ignore and it move on.

Dave Crowleys/v Wind Dreamer II

BobW · Mar 30, 2007

I suspect it's only you, Landsend.....

as everybody else - myself included - seems to be genuinely interested in and concerned about the plight of the plucky Seadance and her 3 yr old First Mate.

If THIS bothers you, then you might want to be somewhere else (or at least be suitably medicated and wearing some hearing protection) when we get the post informing us that they have sailed out into the Gulf of Mexico in their rescued, renovated, re-claimed, re-built, reconditioned and repaired dream boat......... the cheers just might blow out your eardrums. ;DMaybe it's a California thing (but I doubt it) but I'm with Brian D in San Diego. I was holding my breath the first day or two, hoping with all my might that Seadance wasn't stuck with a sunk boat that might turn out to be un-repairable. I had to restrain myself from writing all kinds of dire warnings about what they might be getting into - glad I did.Maybe you should just ignore this thread, eh?Cheers,Bobs/v X SAIL R 8

BobW · Mar 30, 2007

Newbies stay, grumps go, that's my vote

as a matter of fact, the 'grumps' can go to the Angst forum, where those of us who spend time on the 'dark side' can tear them a new...... ummmm, thru-hull. *5 ;D ;D ;DCheers,Bobs/v X SAIL R 8

Ross · Mar 30, 2007

If you read the wooden boat forum you soon

learn that there is no such animal as a boat that can't be repaired. Some just take longer than others. With a salvage boat you get the opportunity to make it uniquely yours. If you don't have the skills that you need find someone who will not only help but is willing to teach you and allow you to get your hands onto the work. I was instruction a friend on some fiber glass repair. She was applying the roller with too much force and I said she should roll more gently. She handed me the roller and held her gloved hand out and asked me to demonstrate the proper pressure. So I applied the roller to the palm of her hand and gave it back. She did well after that. You have gotten good counseling as to the title problems all of the rest just take time. Stay enthusiastic and enjoy.BestRoss

nebo · Mar 30, 2007

Seadance

I must say you are more eloquently verbose than most Mississippians in your use of the King's English. I'm re-doing a Venture 222 and learning MANY things that I'm sometimes not really sure I SHOULD know. My advice is to relax and enjoy it. Whatever 'it' is. If the water inside the hull doesn't get deep enough to float your shoes you're doing OK. Just an old Arkie's, schooled in Mississippi's, opinion. And we all know what opinions are like.....Nebo

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