Crossing from Apalachicola to Tampa

Aug 14, 2011
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33 Hunter Cherubini Sardis, MS
We are set up in Apalachicola and heading to Tampa Bay. I need input on the weather patterns to look for for a smooth(ish) crossing. Right now the seas are 4 foot and people are saying it was a miserable crossing coming here.

Plus any advice or tips would be greatly appreciated.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
We are set up in Apalachicola and heading to Tampa Bay. I need input on the weather patterns to look for for a smooth(ish) crossing. Right now the seas are 4 foot and people are saying it was a miserable crossing coming here.

Plus any advice or tips would be greatly appreciated.
I've not sailed that stretch of the Gulf personally, but lived on Tampa Bay eleven years and sailed much in Fall and Winter. Heading southeast in the eastern Gulf--wait for a NE to E wind which usually follows the passage of a cold front. Probably will have two, to perhaps three, days before the wind finally veers to SE. But, a good fair wind, and low seas (if close offshore) usually follow a front. (Keep an eye on depths.) Typically strong NE at first, 20 to 25 kt; diminishing 15 to 20 kt, then 10 to 15 kt late on the 2nd, or on the 3rd, day. If you tire of the wild ride, duck in at Clearwater and sail the ICW into Tampa Bay.:D There's a small protected harbor earlier at Dunedin, but you cannot gain the ICW there.

An alternative is to wait until the fairly mild SE wind sets up two or three days after a cold front passes (and is usually present anytime between fronts), and then "motor sail" down to Tampa in typically mild seas. Would NOT recommend trying it on an approaching cold front; wind veering SW to NW to N--usually very strong & gusty, can be stormy out of SW early, plus much rain as front passes; steep wind chop ("washing machine" conditions), and COLD!!:eek: Most locals head for a place to hunker with an approaching cold front (unless RACING!?!:confused:).
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
It is always miserable beating 200 miles to wind! Coming SE you just need to watch the weather and run/reach with the dying breeze of a cold front sweeping south. That will assure you of no surprises as the weather stabilizes. Lot of fetch there -give the front a day to allow the water to lay down. If you haven't sailed into Tampa Bay I would time it to make a daytime, slack tide entrance. Lots of shoal water and tidal current off of Anna Maria, Egmont Key, and Ft. DeSota. Fun trip.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
If you haven't sailed into Tampa Bay I would time it to make a daytime, slack tide entrance. Lots of shoal water and tidal current off of Anna Maria, Egmont Key, and Ft. DeSota. Fun trip.
The two ways to enter TB arriving from the NNW is to go through the marked Egmont Channel between Egmont and Mullet keys (Ft. DeSoto is on Mullet Key) or, if you wish to save time, enter Pass-A-Grille/Tierra Verde area via North Channel and follow the ICW into Tampa Bay just south of the Pinellas Penninsula (i.e., Pinellas Pt.). Anna Maria Island is not relevant coming from your direction unless you wish to go way out of your way. Yes, there are charted shoals to be avoided; daytime is best; but enter on the flooding tide if you wish to save time. Slack water is the period between ebbing and flooding tides, and lasts only about 1/2 hr. BTW--you can anchor up on the east side of Egmont Key [turning South off the Egmont Channel after passing by the island] for protection from W & NW wind; but it's no good there if there is much wind [sea] arriving from eastern quadrants.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Agree

I agree with most of the info. already given. I have made this passage both ways many times and it can be nasty if the winds pick up. Right behind a front this time of year, winds can be nearly dead calm, so be prepared to motor sail some of the way. And you do want to enter Tampa Bay during daylight hours. The channel is well marked, but there is plenty of on shore lights that make seeing some of them tough, and there is a pretty good amount of traffic through there. Check for local knowledge leaving Appalachicola. I haven't been through there in a couple of years, but have heard reports that the channel is badly shoaled up at government cut. Fair winds and good sailing.
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,507
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Where are You in Appalach?

The folks at Scipio Creek Marina are pretty good about offering advice. There are usually a couple of boats tied up there waiting to cross they will hook you up with them and then leave together for some added comfort.

Generally this time of year you wait for a front and follow it across.
 
Aug 14, 2011
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33 Hunter Cherubini Sardis, MS
I am tied up at Scopio Creek right now in fact. I asked the lady at the desk for advice ad she just kind of looked at me with a blank stare. I called the local sea tow guys and they have me advice on getting out of Apalachicola to Carrabelle. I am looking at saturday on heading out. I just checked noaa and it looks like the weather should be slacking off here and it should have settled down for sure on sunday. I will check again tomorrow before I head to Carrabelle and stage up. Thank you guys/gals for the info. We are heading up to Bradenton when we get there so I will probably head for the south channel.
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,507
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
There is a Storm Out There

There is a low over Mexico that may develop and may head for Tampa

I'd probably wait a while or go on over to St Marks and head south from there if your getting anxious. We would usually anchor overnight off of Dog Island and head out from there. It cuts a couple of hours off of the trip.

Have you made it over to "The Grill" for Gumbo? That takes a lot of the sting out of waiting.

This site help the decision process:
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/
 
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Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Thank you guys/gals for the info. We are heading up to Bradenton when we get there so I will probably head for the south channel.
Going to Bradenton is not the same as going into TB; although you have to traverse lower TB. So, now you have to go up the Manatee River. Can still use the Egmont Channel, and then cut south to the Manatee River; or otherwise, pass by Egmont Key and enter Lower Tampa Bay-in which case you will also pass by Anna Maria Island on starboard. You really must pay close attention to the charted shoals and use the head channel marker when starting into the Manatee--and STAY IN THE CHANNEL--day markers are important. Might need a spot to see 'em if going in after dark. Many yachts (power & sail) have grounded trying to gain the river channel approaching from odd angles.
 
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Jun 8, 2004
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Kirie-Elite Elite 37 Niceville, FL
appalac to clearwater

If you draw more than 5 feet, I recommend that you go out Dog island rather than Government Cut. The cut is shoaling on the inside and the corp of engineers is no longer dredging the channel. Conventional wisdom is that you go from the intersection of the intercoastal direct to the range markers and then head out the cut, favoring the green side.

I have made this trip over 10 times. I use Bouyweather and Passage Weather for my offshore weather forecasts. Both show that you have a good passage window this weekend.

Most people who make this passage either go in Clearwater or north of Anclote Key, rest and then on down the coast.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Clearwater

If you enter Hurricane Pass at Clearwater, this is another skinny water spot that needs a lot of caution. I have bumped going through there, with a 4'6" draft.
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,507
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Looks Like a Good Time to Go

That low is not traveling very far north and is fizzling out.

File a float plan and have a good time.
 
Aug 14, 2011
76
33 Hunter Cherubini Sardis, MS
We are heading out tomorrow morning from Carrabelle at 7 am. I can't wait to find deep water. I have been running channels since the beginning of October when we left Pickwick Lake in Tennessee. After consultation with the marina staff at the Moorings (great place to stop) they persuaded me to go straight across to Steinhatchee then work south down the buoys.

Thank you all for the input. I will let you know how the run turns out.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
If you want deep water

That certainly isn't the way to go. And it's farther. What is your final destination.
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,507
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Vey Thin Water up There

Long way to do the trip.

If you have lots of time and want to see that part of Florida it is a nice trip.
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,507
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Conditions Look to be Near Ideal For a Crossing Today

Wonder if the folks in Carabelle thought Frankie did not have the experience or the boat needed more fuel than what he could carry to make the crossing to Tampa and steered him towards Steinhatchee.
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,476
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
I've enjoyed this thread from a geographical point of view. I've looked up most of the geographic references on Maps and have learned the northern west coast of Florida better than I ever have. I'm looking forward to hearing the details of their voyage.
One question for those of you that know: Why is the coast of Florida in the bite between Spring Hill and Apalachicola so barren? Is it swamp? I've noted there are few roads. Is that it? Or is it the lack of harbors? Water to shallow?
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,818
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Too Shallow

I have been told it is very shallow and need to go out into the gulf far from
shore and when we sail up north we always seem to only go as far as Tarpon Springs when cruising.
I keep asking to get a group to go farther north but I am always told
my draft which 5' would be a problem and would need to make a long
off shore sail to deeper water,even boats with 4' draft say they would need to go off shore.
Nick
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
Long way to do the trip.

If you have lots of time and want to see that part of Florida it is a nice trip.
Yep I've also learned a lot as a result of this thread and have also as a result looked closer at the area and will give it some serious consideration as a place to head to with the Mac.

If one isn't in a hurry what is the rush to make a beeline straight to Tampa? I like these out-of-the-way places a lot myself,

Sumner

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