Cracks in 32 Vision mast step

Dec 26, 2024
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Hunter 32 Vision Seattle
Looks like I have cracks in the mast step ring. Am looking for a new or salvaged ring, or the dimensions if I need to have one fabbed.
Also is it even possible to install a new one? I could not see any access to loosen the nuts under the floor. Tried inspecting with endoscope but could not see much. The fwd bolt is actually totally loose with no nut, comes right out!
Two photos attached. One shows two corrosion spots along the crack near the base of the verticle surface on Pt side.
The other photo shows crack on horizontal surface just left of bolt.
 

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Dec 26, 2024
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Hunter 32 Vision Seattle
Hi Kappy, thanks for the reply, photos posted to original.
Am thinking I will fab a ss ring around the mast step and bolt two ss straps to the floor on ea side of the mast with 3/8 lag bolts into the 1/2" FRP. I need to calc lever arm at that point and bolt strength needed.
 

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Hello and welcome to the SBO Forum.
I will explore the Hunter32 mast step design further, but I would not want to secure something designed to hold the mast in place using a lag bolt on a fiberglass boat.
 

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Looking at this image of a Hunter 32 mast base, the deck has a pronounced bulge. The mast step ring appears to be bolted with multiple attachment points to the deck. The bulge resembles the deck base areas used for winches on hunter boats. Hunter is known to place aluminum plates in their fiberglass decks. The plates have predrilled and tapped holes for bolting hardware to the boat. It is conceivable that your mast ring is similarly attached to the deck. I would check to see if this is the case on your boat.

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Dec 26, 2024
6
Hunter 32 Vision Seattle
Hi John, Thanks for your reply. The photo you posted is where the mast goes thru the deck; the mast is actually stepped in a casting on a hefty FRP floor just above the hull. It's this casting which concerns me, as it appears to have a couple of hairline cracks and three spots of white dust from corrosion visible.
I have uploaded pictures to my original post. The rings on the deck seem to be ok.
I made another attempt to look under the step to see if there are nuts there, but couldn't see it.
Would be interesting if there was a plate or some kind of captive nuts. I did find one fwd bolt completely loose,which can be pulled out.
Looks like it goes thru about 1/2" fiberglass.
Had a friend look at it today and he raised the possibility of the cracks originating from a flawed casting, or maybe damage when the mast was installed. We were able to determine that the step casting is not a hollow ring, but is continuous under the mast, or at least where the mast sits.
 

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
On my deck stepped mast, the builder had a metal casting. It captures the open extrusion mast. Here is what it looks like.
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When I removed the mast I had the step cleaned and powder coated before reinstalled.

Mast sits on the step. In my case the step is through bolted to the deck.
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,012
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Since that mast has no shrouds or stays, that step plate/socket has to have a LOT more side load strength. I would also bet that the bolts are threaded into an embedded aluminum plate. If you can find a drawing, it'd be good to have one machined from a solid chunk of aluminum. You can oversize thread the embedded al plate where the loose bolt is to correct that.
 
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Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
The Hunter 32 Vision has a free standing keel stepped mast. The mast is a monster!

The mast will need to be removed to fix this. The crack in the step may be symptomatic. Mast steps will crack if the underlying support is failing. So the first step is to get the mast down. If I recall correctly there is a pin that goes through the mast and the step to keep the mast from twisting. Hopefully it comes out easily. Once the mast is out, then it is time to investigate more fully.

Hunter often used embedded plates to secure fittings, so @kloudie1 may be correct in that regard. That one of the bolts just lifted out is not a good sign because it may mean the plate has corroded and failed. A seriously corroded plate could indicate water intrusion which has caused the support for the step to fail, causing the step to crack. Some exploratory surgery may be needed. Once the step is off, a small hole drilled in to the structure will reveal what's underneath and if there is wood if it is dry or wet.

I would expect there is some kind of drain on the step. Water will come down the inside of the mast and it has to go somewhere. If the drain hole has been plugged, water may have seeped into the underlying structure. Or if the underlying structure is wood, the drain hole may not be sealed allowing moisture to enter the wood.
 
Dec 26, 2024
6
Hunter 32 Vision Seattle
Hi All,
Was able to get a good pic of the fwd mast bolt coming down thru the glass with a boroscope.
You can see a platform behind it which must contain a plate of some kind to receive the other five 1/2" ss bolts.
Wondering if the plate was installed too far aft leaving the fwd bolt outside the plate?
This means I can replace the mast step without too much difficulty by raising the mast a little.
My challenge now is to find a salvaged mast step, or get the drawings to fab a new one.
I also discovered by looking into the mast that the casting under the mast is not continuous, but comes just inside the circumference of the mast. I could see some standing water and debri. Did not see any drain hole. I have had to pump out water from inside the mast with a tube.
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Nov 19, 2023
26
Hunter 32 Vision Watauga Lake, TN
EDIT: The step ring you've pictured in the first post is similar to mine, but mine is raw aluminum. Your's might be steel? I mistook your question to be about the deck-level ring system (based on post #10 above).

I have 1989 Vision 32 and that collar system at the deck is a two piece assembly on mine. Yours appears to be a single piece, is that right? What year is yours? I unstepped my mast for transport last spring, so it's pretty fresh in my mind and I have some pics and vids.

FWIW, here's how it works on mine. It's made up of two aluminum rings with a conical rubber mast partner wedged between. You can see the two rings here.
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The outer ring is bolted through the deck and fastened with nuts and washers that are accessible behind a trim plate in the V-Berth ceiling.We never even loosened these outer bolts. That ring stays put.

The inner ring is bolted into tapped holes in the outer ring. Removing those bolts was easier than expected. They were SS into aluminum so I feared the worst. Some good soul had coated them well with anti-seize. Before removal, one of the riggers had the good sense to make index marks on the two rings in order to put it back in the exact orientation it came off. That way if the hole spacing isn't precisely even, we wouldn't be fighting to align bolts.

That outer ring's job is to compress a rubber cone that effectively serves as your mast partners. Once the bolts were out, we slid the outer ring up the mast and and tied it off to a halyard to get out of the way. You can see that and the loosened rubber cone here in a still from a video I took.

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The trick is to get the ring out without damaging it. First, you need to remove a single 18" long bolt that goes through the bottom of the mast as and essentially pins it to a collar that sits on top of the keel. That's your step bolt. Easy to remove - harder to put back in (see below).

Once that step bolt was out, we took some mast weight off the step by lifting with the crane. Two separate operators on two separate cranes, hundreds of miles apart both estimated the mast weighs about 600 lbs. Neither had a load cell on their crane. I guess you develop a sense for these things.

You need to use a rubber mallet and some blocks/boards to knock the ring loose from below - hammering upward from the V-berth (fun!). Do this carefully so as not to damage that rubber ring! When we did this, the crane was lifting the whole boat by the mast. My boot stripe was a good two inches above its normal level in the water. Once the ring is loose, you're home free. The mast just lifts straight out of the deck. You can see here that the outer ring that's left behind has a conical seat that accepts the rubber ring. When the inner ring compresses the conical rubber partner, that rubber deforms downward and laterally, forming a snug wedge.

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We did not remove the rubber cone for transport, so the outer aluminum ring was effectively captive. But you'll either need to remove the rubber cone or work your cracked collar up off the top of the mast. That likely means removing your goose neck and all cleats and halyards, steps, etc. Depending on the condition of the rubber partner, you might opt for the long route. If the rubber is dry and friable, I would leave it alone.

BTW: the hole that was left behind needed to be capped/covered for transport. The classic upside-down bucket trick wouldn't do it. But a 16" pizza pan and a tube of silicone formed a nice seal and a perfect fit! Cheap, too.

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Finally, stepping the mast at the other end of our road haul was pretty easy. The only hard part was getting the step bolt lined up. No matter how much we tweaked and jostled with the crane, the hole tolerances where just too tight for the far end of the 18" bolt to pass through the mast and collar. The solution was to order a 5/8" bridge reamer from Grainger to slightly enlarge, and align the holes. I did that a couple of weeks after the step and delivery cruise (motor only) and it proved very easy.

Hope something in there is helpful, even though your's looks to be a little different.
 

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Dec 26, 2024
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Hunter 32 Vision Seattle
Thanks for the info. My boat is also 1989. same mast. My issue is not with the partner rings but the Mast Step, which appears to have a couple slight cracks. They are no longer available so I would like to locate a salvaged one if I ever need to replace it.
Thanks again,
Dean
 
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Dec 26, 2024
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Hunter 32 Vision Seattle
Yes, he said the part is no longer available, so I would like to try to locate a salvaged one to refurbish, to have on hand should I need to replace the existing.
 
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